This is literally Kenny logic
Berate anyone who goes against him
I don't trust that guy, Clem. He seems real fishy.
When you treat someone like shit, how can you be surprised when they leave you to die? SMH
Like i've said before, Clementines safety is my priority in the most rational thing would be to leave/kill the baby.
Plus the walkers were too cold to move and didnt even aggro after Clementine shot bunch of them on the way to rest stop.
Thats just your opinions based off your distorted viewpoints. Where i come from people who tell others to ditch/kill their babies and are Ok… more leaving babies in cars surrounded by walkers are the mentally unstable ones. Good thing that baby cried after Jane got killed otherwise she murdered that baby too. Clementine voiced serious concerns about Jane ditching her. Do you not get that people say your a joke because of your inability to realize that your own thoughts and views aren't the only valid ones? Why are u even here? I had to flag your posts where you were threatening to kill yourself on this thread and the moderators deleted them, I hoped you wouldn't come back. Your just a toxic person who has no ability to see past their own beliefs.
I did refute your points, you are just too stupid to realize that. The russians go after you no matter what happens in game. If you steal from them, they attack because of that. If you wont steal from them, they blame you for what Arvo did.
LMAO you just justified robbing people. Wow. Ok well that doesnt change the fact that Jane caused the entire Arvo situation. And your not ad… moredressing the issue. Your argument that Kenny is unstable and dangerous to be around meanwhile its thanks to Jane that armed russians are hunting Clem down. Your gonna dodge that point forever because you obviously cant refute it. Kenny may scream a lot and hurt peoples feelings but he didnt endanger the group the way Jane did. Those russians could have killed everybody. Robbing anybody is stupid. but strangers who could have a large group. Jane is too reckless and unstable to care for Clem properly. First she gets these russians hunting clem and then ditches the group only to pop back in the play hero after everybody almost died thanks to her.
If Mike and Bonnie needed to go their separate ways, then so be it, but the way they handled the situation was absolutely terrible.
They had a working car right next to them and very stubborn man who would decide what he wants and wont change his mind. If they wanted the car, they couldnt have just confronted Kenny about it. It had to be done this way. How come you can blame them for being selfish? in my game, 4 people wanted to go south, 1 wanted to go north and he was trying to force everyone follow his plan. How is that not selfish?
This is pretty much the only thing worth to debate
Why? Because you don't have anything to say for the other points? I thought we we… morere really making some progress
They told Kenny to stop treating Arvo like that more than once, and after he beat the shit out of him at the house for NO good reason (dont use Luke as excuse, because Kenny never liked that guy) it made Mike feel bad for Arvo, bad enough to take care of him and set him free eventually. Also, when Kenny disagreed with everyone else (Clem being determinant) after he got the car working, he finally made Mike and Bonnie betray the group by forcing them to either stay behind or steal the car so they could go back south (since going to north wasnt an option to them). They didnt care about Kenny and they knew Clementine wouldnt let go of her old friend, so they had to leave them behind.
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and jane ran away from the car clem was in while a zombie was getting in...
she stole meds (just like kenny stole supplies in seas1) so she got luke shot and wouldn't wait 4 bonnie so she bled out and died and she didn't hesitate to get in a fight to the death with kenny
She was a psycho an not good company for clem
This is literally Kenny logic
Berate anyone who goes against him
I don't trust that guy, Clem. He seems real fishy.
When you treat someone like shit, how can you be surprised when they leave you to die? SMH
First of all, she did that for the group. They were in bad shape. She pointed the gun at the kid so he wouldnt come back, and want kind of idiot would give some random person (who they just tried to rob) his gun back in za?
Did you not see how shocked Jane was after the robbery? Even she couldnt believe that she just tried to rob someone just because of the group.
Stop blaming Jane for the russian attack, since i have refuted that point more than once already.
So i guess you despise Kenny too for stealing from the Stranger?
Uhhh yeah so my Clem chose not to steal from Arvo and that seemed to piss of Jane since she was trying to talk Clem into robbing. Jane then … moreflipped, and put a gun to Arvo's head oh and by the way stole HIS GUN. So Arvo left feeling like he had been robbed. Where to you get this retarded idea that she HAD TO PUT A GUN TO HIS HEAD, and threaten him, and steal his gun so that he would never come back or else "they would kill him"? Who would kill him? Let me guess. oh right. Kenny would see a crippled teenager walking up and just shoot him in the head for being a cripple right?
Jane was unstable, and her causing the Arvo situation proves that she was far more dangerous to have in your group than Kenny was. You just ignore our points and attack straw men its ridiculous
Jane had no gun and a baby in her arms. Should she just have dropped the baby and help Clementine? Doesnt matter what happens with Arvo, they try to rob you anyway, so you cant possibly blame Jane for that.
and jane ran away from the car clem was in while a zombie was getting in...
she stole meds (just like kenny stole supplies in seas1) so she… more got luke shot and wouldn't wait 4 bonnie so she bled out and died and she didn't hesitate to get in a fight to the death with kenny
She was a psycho an not good company for clem
haha you're so lame putting words in everones mouth, and reading on you just can't say jane was wrong...
Build a jane shrine or something....
Kenny fans are not as stubborn as you are, they have good points but all you say is NO
Making you a worse fan than the people you complain about
Yes i can just like you blame Kenny for everything
and jane can't do anything wrong, thats why you force people to get in to your lies that all you do is right, if you've played like you , your choises are probably the right ones but if you've played with different choises its all wrong in your eyes. Thats why people get irritated by your stubborn way of seeing things .
I know for sure that if it was kenny YOU would blame him for that....
Jane had no gun and a baby in her arms. Should she just have dropped the baby and help Clementine? Doesnt matter what happens with Arvo, they try to rob you anyway, so you cant possibly blame Jane for that.
Jane had no gun and a baby in her arms. Should she just have dropped the baby and help Clementine?
Four words: boot to the head.
Doesnt matter what happens with Arvo, they try to rob you anyway, so you cant possibly blame Jane for that.
That Jane intimidated Arvo and stolen his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group, no matter if you rob the supplies or not, so yes, we can blame her for that because his her fault.
Jane had no gun and a baby in her arms. Should she just have dropped the baby and help Clementine? Doesnt matter what happens with Arvo, they try to rob you anyway, so you cant possibly blame Jane for that.
are you kidding? then lily should have shot kenny(who was doing what he thought was right and maybe he was right)
Reading this makes it very clear that you're a troll that just wants to be right all the time coming with the lamest excuses for every death in the game.
The fact that Arvo has his own plans no matter what you do, makes it no ones fault. If you steal, he blames you (even though he was the one stealing from his group). If you dont steal, they try to rob you anyway. Doesnt matter who was talking with Arvo, they will still try to rob you.
Yes i can just like you blame Kenny for everything
and jane can't do anything wrong, thats why you force people to get in to your lies that… more all you do is right, if you've played like you , your choises are probably the right ones but if you've played with different choises its all wrong in your eyes. Thats why people get irritated by your stubborn way of seeing things .
I know for sure that if it was kenny YOU would blame him for that....
How? the zombie came through windshield and other zombies were coming to car and started to follow Jane.
That Jane intimidated Arvo and stolen his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group, no matter if you rob the supplies or not, so yes, we can blame her for that because his her fault.
"stole his gun" He was pointing it at Clementine and he was nervous... Do explain to me, how is it Janes fault that Arvo is stealing from his own group?
Jane had no gun and a baby in her arms. Should she just have dropped the baby and help Clementine?
Four words: boot to the head.
… more Doesnt matter what happens with Arvo, they try to rob you anyway, so you cant possibly blame Jane for that.
That Jane intimidated Arvo and stolen his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group, no matter if you rob the supplies or not, so yes, we can blame her for that because his her fault.
She pointed the gun at the kid so he wouldnt come back,
Which caused him to come back. Jane is clearly a genius. Ah, by the way, I think is kind of obvious that she mean to kill Arvo rigth there, not just intimidate him, but didn´t only because Clem was there.
Even she couldnt believe that she just tried to rob someone just because of the group.
Lol, nope. She said: 'How did I get in this situation, threathening some stupid kid." And was pretty false, because she intended to kill him, not threathed him.
Stop blaming Jane for the russian attack, since i have refuted that point more than once already.
Nope. You said the russians attack no matter what happen, ignoring that is Jane´s fault for intimidating Arvo and stealing his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group.
So i guess you despise Kenny too for stealing from the Stranger?
That situation is not even similar. The whole group-except Clem and determinately Lee- saw the open car full of supplies and stole them out of desperation. They had no reason to expect retribution, and in the Arvo case the retribution Jane´s actions could cause was fucking obvious, so another point against Jane the genius.
First of all, she did that for the group. They were in bad shape. She pointed the gun at the kid so he wouldnt come back, and want kind of i… morediot would give some random person (who they just tried to rob) his gun back in za?
Did you not see how shocked Jane was after the robbery? Even she couldnt believe that she just tried to rob someone just because of the group.
Stop blaming Jane for the russian attack, since i have refuted that point more than once already.
So i guess you despise Kenny too for stealing from the Stranger?
Why Lilly should have shot Kenny? Even after Kenny murdered her father, she didnt try to kill Kenny. If someone did that to Kenny, he WOULD murder you (Ben situation proving the point).
are you kidding? then lily should have shot kenny(who was doing what he thought was right and maybe he was right)
Reading this makes it ver… morey clear that you're a troll that just wants to be right all the time coming with the lamest excuses for every death in the game.
Yes, exactly. While the walker was stuck there, she would have breaked its head with her boot.
and other zombies were coming to car and started to follow Jane.
We see the zombies follow Jane only after she goes out of the car, but still, walkers are not that fast and breaking the walker´s head with her boot to help Clem could not have taken that much time.
He was pointing it at Clementine and he was nervous...
Yes. And? Is still a threatening gesture, and it didn´t help matters in anyway. If you look at Arvo´s dialogue, he seems willing to just let Clementine go, but Jane ignores that anyway.
Arvo: I don´t want to shoot anybody especially…. Uh, a little girl.
Do explain to me, how is it Janes fault that Arvo is stealing from his own group?
It was not her fault. Hell, I never said it was her fault. Please stop putting words in my mouth. I said: That Jane intimidated Arvo and stolen his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group
Four words: boot to the head.
How? the zombie came through windshield and other zombies were coming to car and started to follow Jan… moree.
That Jane intimidated Arvo and stolen his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group, no matter if you rob the supplies or not, so yes, we can blame her for that because his her fault.
"stole his gun" He was pointing it at Clementine and he was nervous... Do explain to me, how is it Janes fault that Arvo is stealing from his own group?
Even after Kenny murdered her father, she didnt try to kill Kenny. If someone did that to Kenny, he WOULD murder you (Ben situation proving the point).
Actually, it does not prove shit. Are you aware just how different the situations were or not? Ben confessed to being the cause of the dead of his family, that Duck was bitten and Katjaa killed herself rigth in front of him. Larry death was not murder, but a necesity. If he turned the group was fucked, and he was going to turn, because as soon as he dropped to the ground he was as good as death. Hell, you are also ignoring that the whole 'I kill you part' was just one outburst, and when they got back at the house-if you don´t drop Ben-he doesn´t try to kill him.
Why Lilly should have shot Kenny? Even after Kenny murdered her father, she didnt try to kill Kenny. If someone did that to Kenny, he WOULD murder you (Ben situation proving the point).
Yeah right... sorry. I forgot that Clementine is a drug addict.
Which caused him to come back.
Assumption. Just the fact that Arvo saw you, made you his scapegoat.
Lol, nope. She said: 'How did I get in this situation, threathening some stupid kid." And was pretty false, because she intended to kill him, not threathed him.
She said "i cant believe i've gotten into this mess. Taking some stupid kids stuff...like a bandit"
Yeah, she totally sounds like immoral bandit.
Nope. You said the russians attack no matter what happen, ignoring that is Jane´s fault for intimidating Arvo and stealing his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group.
They were his scapegoats...just the fact that Arvo saw someone to blame made them a target. If you didnt steal, they just try to rob you.
That situation is not even similar. The whole group-except Clem and determinately Lee- saw the open car full of supplies and stole them out of desperation. They had no reason to expect retribution, and in the Arvo case the retribution Jane´s actions could cause was fucking obvious, so another point against Jane the genius.
First of all, she did that for the group.
Because of Clem, not the group.
She pointed the gun at the kid so he wouldnt come ba… moreck,
Which caused him to come back. Jane is clearly a genius. Ah, by the way, I think is kind of obvious that she mean to kill Arvo rigth there, not just intimidate him, but didn´t only because Clem was there.
Even she couldnt believe that she just tried to rob someone just because of the group.
Lol, nope. She said: 'How did I get in this situation, threathening some stupid kid." And was pretty false, because she intended to kill him, not threathed him.
Stop blaming Jane for the russian attack, since i have refuted that point more than once already.
Nope. You said the russians attack no matter what happen, ignoring that is Jane´s fault for intimidating Arvo and stealing his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group.
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The fact that Arvo has his own plans no matter what you do, makes it no ones fault.
Lol, nope. You should realize-even leaving aside the role that Jane´s actions played in the attack of the russians- that if Jane had acted differently Arvo could not have blamed Clem´s group because he could not have know of their existence.
The fact that Arvo has his own plans no matter what you do, makes it no ones fault. If you steal, he blames you (even though he was the one … morestealing from his group). If you dont steal, they try to rob you anyway. Doesnt matter who was talking with Arvo, they will still try to rob you.
No one else wanted responsibility? Mike.. Bonnie.. and Luke, well I guess he can't count. But Mike & Bonnie both were willing to step up to the plate.
Second of all, your still comparing "Carly's comment", yes COMMENT, to leaving a baby in car in order to make somebody think you killed it. Nice try bud. Come on really? So now, saying F you to somebody is the same as killing someone?
Jane never specifically stated it was killed on purpose. Walking during blizzard conditions were the baby can be easily lost but Kenny decided to interpret it as if she killed AJ with intent.
And yes, Carly was at fault. Let's not forget Lilly was right about Ben.
Logic not found from Kenny fans. People just can't accept that Kenny is a nice, but violent individual not capable of thinking plans through. Which can result in collateral damage.
That fight, was bait. And it was completely dependent on Kenny overreacting. If he would've listen to Clementine and heard Jane out, then I would've sided with him too.
Carley didn't say fuck you, she said more than that. By the way!
Kenny had practically adopted AJ because nobody else wanted the responsibility. Kenny stepped up and chose to take care of the child like hi… mores own. Who else was going to? So yeah it was his as much as adopted children have parents too. You dont have to be the sperm donor to make it your kid. Second of all, your still comparing "Carly's comment", yes COMMENT, to leaving a baby in car in order to make somebody think you killed it. Nice try bud. Come on really? So now, saying F you to somebody is the same as killing someone?
"lol, nope" thats your answer to everything. Ever considered the possibility that Arvos group actually ambushes others and steals from them? They had bunch of supplies and meds after all.
The fact that Arvo has his own plans no matter what you do, makes it no ones fault.
Lol, nope. You should realize-even leaving aside… more the role that Jane´s actions played in the attack of the russians- that if Jane had acted differently Arvo could not have blamed Clem´s group because he could not have know of their existence.
Your first point was so stupid that i wont even answer to that.
He was pointing it at Clementine and he was nervous...
Nervous people can accidently shoot others.
It was not her fault. Hell, I never said it was her fault. Please stop putting words in my mouth. I said: That Jane intimidated Arvo and stolen his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group
Like ive said on other posts, the fact that Arvo saw someone, made them his scapegoats. If not scapegoat, they just rob you because thats most likely how they got all those meds and supplies in the first place.
How? the zombie came through windshield
Yes, exactly. While the walker was stuck there, she would have breaked its head with her boo… moret.
and other zombies were coming to car and started to follow Jane.
We see the zombies follow Jane only after she goes out of the car, but still, walkers are not that fast and breaking the walker´s head with her boot to help Clem could not have taken that much time.
He was pointing it at Clementine and he was nervous...
Yes. And? Is still a threatening gesture, and it didn´t help matters in anyway. If you look at Arvo´s dialogue, he seems willing to just let Clementine go, but Jane ignores that anyway.
Arvo: I don´t want to shoot anybody especially…. Uh, a little girl.
Do explain to me, how is it Janes fault that Arvo is stealing from his own group?
It was not her fault. Hell, I never said it was her fault. Please stop putting words in my mouth. I said: That J… [view original content]
Ever considered the possibility that Arvos group actually ambushes others and steals from them? They had bunch of supplies and meds after all.
Have you considered that if Jane had decided to hide instead of attacking Arvo, he could not have blamed Clem´s group because he could not have know of their existence?
"lol, nope" thats your answer to everything. Ever considered the possibility that Arvos group actually ambushes others and steals from them? They had bunch of supplies and meds after all.
Your first point was so stupid that i wont even answer to that.
You don´t answer because you can´t.
Like ive said on other posts, the fact that Arvo saw someone, made them his scapegoats.
If Jane had not decided to ambush him, Arvo could not have anybody to blame.
If not scapegoat, they just rob you because thats most likely how they got all those meds and supplies in the first place.
You forget that the Russians attack because they think you robbed one of their group. If that had not happened, they probably could have decided that stealing for Clem´s group was not worth it, especially because Clem´s group didn´t have much of anything. So yes, the attack was mostly Jane´s fault.
EDIT:
Nervous people can accidently shoot others.
So you don´t even deny the fault in her actions or what?
Your first point was so stupid that i wont even answer to that.
He was pointing it at Clementine and he was nervous...
Nervous… more people can accidently shoot others.
It was not her fault. Hell, I never said it was her fault. Please stop putting words in my mouth. I said: That Jane intimidated Arvo and stolen his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group
Like ive said on other posts, the fact that Arvo saw someone, made them his scapegoats. If not scapegoat, they just rob you because thats most likely how they got all those meds and supplies in the first place.
Yeah right... sorry. I forgot that Clementine is a drug addict.
Clementine cared about the group, and Jane cared about Clementine. So, yes, she did it for Clementine, not the group.
Assumption. Just the fact that Arvo saw you, made you his scapegoat.
Leaving aside the role of Jane´s actions if the Russian attack, you should realize that if Jane had acted differently Arvo could not have blamed Clem´s group because he could not have known of their existence.
She said "i cant believe i've gotten into this mess. Taking some stupid kids stuff...like a bandit"
And? That doesn´t change that she obviously intended to kill Arvo, and did not do it just because Clem was there.
They were his scapegoats...just the fact that Arvo saw someone to blame made them a target. If you didnt steal, they just try to rob you.
Yes. And Arvo could not made Clem´s group the target if Jane had not decided to ambush him, because he could not even have know of their existence.
So its ok to rob, when no one is watching?
No, but she should have considered the consequences of her actions. And she didn´t.
Because of Clem, not the group.
Yeah right... sorry. I forgot that Clementine is a drug addict.
Which caused him to come back.… more
Assumption. Just the fact that Arvo saw you, made you his scapegoat.
Lol, nope. She said: 'How did I get in this situation, threathening some stupid kid." And was pretty false, because she intended to kill him, not threathed him.
She said "i cant believe i've gotten into this mess. Taking some stupid kids stuff...like a bandit"
Yeah, she totally sounds like immoral bandit.
Nope. You said the russians attack no matter what happen, ignoring that is Jane´s fault for intimidating Arvo and stealing his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group.
They were his scapegoats...just the fact that Arvo saw someone to blame made them a target. If you didnt steal, they just try to rob you.
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We see the zombies follow Jane only after she goes out of the car, but still, walkers are not that fast and breaking the walker´s head with her boot to help Clem could not have taken that much time.
This is your retarded point... I thought it was too stupid to answer back.
Again, she had a baby in her arms (so she couldnt take support with her hands to kick efficiently inside the car) to and the walker was in the windshield, making it impossible to bash its head against something sturdy. Walkers were coming to the car and staying inside longer would have made it hard to escape, as they would have surrounded the only door that works. If she didnt go outside and lure the walkers away, they both would have been stuck inside.
If Jane had not decided to ambush him, Arvo could not have anybody to blame.
Like i said before... Arvo had a gun and he was nervous. Only wise thing to do was to disarm him so he couldnt hurt Clementine, no matter what his intentions were originally.
If that had not happened, they probably could have decided that stealing for Clem´s group was not worth it, especially because Clem´s group didn´t have much of anything. So yes, the attack was mostly Jane´s fault.
Arvo ask for help and then tries to rob you. How does this imply they had no plan to rob you? It was a fucking ambush no matter what you do in the game.
Your first point was so stupid that i wont even answer to that.
You don´t answer because you can´t.
Like ive said on other pos… morets, the fact that Arvo saw someone, made them his scapegoats.
If Jane had not decided to ambush him, Arvo could not have anybody to blame.
If not scapegoat, they just rob you because thats most likely how they got all those meds and supplies in the first place.
You forget that the Russians attack because they think you robbed one of their group. If that had not happened, they probably could have decided that stealing for Clem´s group was not worth it, especially because Clem´s group didn´t have much of anything. So yes, the attack was mostly Jane´s fault.
EDIT:
Nervous people can accidently shoot others.
So you don´t even deny the fault in her actions or what?
Clementine cared about the group, and Jane cared about Clementine. So, yes, she did it for Clementine, not the group.
You're implying that Jane doesnt care about the group at all. No point answering this.
And? That doesn´t change that she obviously intended to kill Arvo, and did not do it just because Clem was there.
Again, more assumptions based on nothing but "i hate Jane, Jane is evil".
No, but she should have considered the consequences of her actions. And she didn´t.
"considered the consequences" Just like how Kenny does every time? This is the only stupid thing Jane did this entire season, and only reason she did it was because the group was in such a shitty condition.
Yeah right... sorry. I forgot that Clementine is a drug addict.
Clementine cared about the group, and Jane cared about Clementine. S… moreo, yes, she did it for Clementine, not the group.
Assumption. Just the fact that Arvo saw you, made you his scapegoat.
Leaving aside the role of Jane´s actions if the Russian attack, you should realize that if Jane had acted differently Arvo could not have blamed Clem´s group because he could not have known of their existence.
She said "i cant believe i've gotten into this mess. Taking some stupid kids stuff...like a bandit"
And? That doesn´t change that she obviously intended to kill Arvo, and did not do it just because Clem was there.
They were his scapegoats...just the fact that Arvo saw someone to blame made them a target. If you didnt steal, they just try to rob you.
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Again, she had a baby in her arms (so she couldnt take support with her hands to kick efficiently inside the car) to and the walker was in the windshield, making it impossible to bash its head against something sturdy. Walkers were coming to the car and staying inside longer would have made it hard to escape, as they would have surrounded the only door that works. If she didnt go outside and lure the walkers away, they both would have been stuck inside.
First of all, Lee and other characters are show to break a walkers head with only a foot, without kicking the walker into something sturdy, so your point is pointless. Walkers were coming yes, but they were frozen, and, like I said, it could not have taken much time.
Like i said before... Arvo had a gun and he was nervous. Only wise thing to do was to disarm him so he couldnt hurt Clementine, no matter what his intentions were originally.
This is not even what I was saying. By ambush, I mean chossing to attack her instead of hiding at let him past without Arvo seeing none of them.
We see the zombies follow Jane only after she goes out of the car, but still, walkers are not that fast and breaking the walker´s head with … moreher boot to help Clem could not have taken that much time.
This is your retarded point... I thought it was too stupid to answer back.
Again, she had a baby in her arms (so she couldnt take support with her hands to kick efficiently inside the car) to and the walker was in the windshield, making it impossible to bash its head against something sturdy. Walkers were coming to the car and staying inside longer would have made it hard to escape, as they would have surrounded the only door that works. If she didnt go outside and lure the walkers away, they both would have been stuck inside.
If Jane had not decided to ambush him, Arvo could not have anybody to blame.
Like i said before... Arvo had a gun and he was nervous. Only wise thing to do was to disarm him so he couldnt hurt Clemen… [view original content]
First of all, Lee and other characters are show to break a walkers head with only a foot, without kicking the walker into something sturdy, so your point is pointless. Walkers were coming yes, but they were frozen, and, like I said, it could not have taken much time.
Yeah, when they are on ground and you can use your own weight to crush their skulls. Clementine had a gun. Why not let her kill it like she did?
This is not even what I was saying. By ambush, I mean chossing to attack her instead of hiding at let him past without Arvo seeing none of them.
Arvo finds Clementine while she is hiding and starts the whole situation eventually.
Again, she had a baby in her arms (so she couldnt take support with her hands to kick efficiently inside the car) to and the walker was in t… morehe windshield, making it impossible to bash its head against something sturdy. Walkers were coming to the car and staying inside longer would have made it hard to escape, as they would have surrounded the only door that works. If she didnt go outside and lure the walkers away, they both would have been stuck inside.
First of all, Lee and other characters are show to break a walkers head with only a foot, without kicking the walker into something sturdy, so your point is pointless. Walkers were coming yes, but they were frozen, and, like I said, it could not have taken much time.
Like i said before... Arvo had a gun and he was nervous. Only wise thing to do was to disarm him so he couldnt hurt Clementine, no matter what his intentions were originally.
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You're implying that Jane doesnt care about the group at all. No point answering this.
She says so herself, remember?
Jane: You are 90% of the reason I came back.
Again, more assumptions based on nothing but "i hate Jane, Jane is evil".
You prefer Jane because she is rational and logical, so honestly I don´t know of you cannot see she was going to kill Arvo. I mean, it was the rational and logical thing, shut it up forever, right?
This is the only stupid thing Jane did this entire season
That and, you know, her whole stupid fucking plan about faking AJ´s death, but let’s not get talk about that. And lets forget she was only there for a littel of episode 3, and episode 4 and 5. But you know, that she didn´t consider the consequences make the Russian assault her fault.
Just like how Kenny does every time?
This is not even about Kenny, but about Jane and the Russian assault. In any case, I dissagre with what are you saying here.
Clementine cared about the group, and Jane cared about Clementine. So, yes, she did it for Clementine, not the group.
You're implyin… moreg that Jane doesnt care about the group at all. No point answering this.
And? That doesn´t change that she obviously intended to kill Arvo, and did not do it just because Clem was there.
Again, more assumptions based on nothing but "i hate Jane, Jane is evil".
No, but she should have considered the consequences of her actions. And she didn´t.
"considered the consequences" Just like how Kenny does every time? This is the only stupid thing Jane did this entire season, and only reason she did it was because the group was in such a shitty condition.
Yet she feels like shit once Luke dies? Is Luke not part of the group? Clementine didnt need the drugs, the group did.
You prefer Jane because she is rational and logical, so honestly I don´t know of you cannot see she was going to kill Arvo. I mean, it was the rational and logical thing, shut it up forever, right?
Yes, it would have been the most rational/logical thing to do at that point, BUT it was against her own moral values to kill someone who didnt wrong her in some way.
This is not even about Kenny, but about Jane and the Russian assault. In any case, I dissagre with what are you saying here.
Just mentioning the double standards which Kenny fans tend to have.
You're implying that Jane doesnt care about the group at all. No point answering this.
She says so herself, remember?
Jane: You a… morere 90% of the reason I came back.
Again, more assumptions based on nothing but "i hate Jane, Jane is evil".
You prefer Jane because she is rational and logical, so honestly I don´t know of you cannot see she was going to kill Arvo. I mean, it was the rational and logical thing, shut it up forever, right?
This is the only stupid thing Jane did this entire season
That and, you know, her whole stupid fucking plan about faking AJ´s death, but let’s not get talk about that. And lets forget she was only there for a littel of episode 3, and episode 4 and 5. But you know, that she didn´t consider the consequences make the Russian assault her fault.
Just like how Kenny does every time?
This is not even about Kenny, but about Jane and the Russian assault. In any case, I dissagre with what are you saying here.
Yeah, when they are on ground and you can use your own weight to crush their skulls. Clementine had a gun. Why not let her kill it like she did?
I don´t think it was that the idea that Jane could have killed the walker by smashing it around that unrealistic, but let’s forget about that, because it was not even the whole point and if we go around with this it will only be pointlessly running in circles. Tell me, what prevented Jane to keep the walker off Clem or wait for Clem to shoot it instead of running off?
Arvo finds Clementine while she is hiding and starts the whole situation eventually.
You are assuming too much. The dialogue of the Russians does not give any reason to think they planned to rob Clem´s group
I have many times. Maybe you should read them.
The dialogue of the Russians does not give any reason to think they planned to rob Clem´s group, like I said.
First of all, Lee and other characters are show to break a walkers head with only a foot, without kicking the walker into something sturdy, … moreso your point is pointless. Walkers were coming yes, but they were frozen, and, like I said, it could not have taken much time.
Yeah, when they are on ground and you can use your own weight to crush their skulls. Clementine had a gun. Why not let her kill it like she did?
This is not even what I was saying. By ambush, I mean chossing to attack her instead of hiding at let him past without Arvo seeing none of them.
Arvo finds Clementine while she is hiding and starts the whole situation eventually.
Watch the translated Russian dialogue sometime.
I have many times. Maybe you should read them.
Yet she feels like shit once Luke dies?Is Luke not part of the group?
Yes. Luke is the other 10%. I never said otherwise. But that she cares a lot for Clementine and a butch for Luke because she fucked her doesn’t not mean Jane cares about all the group.
Clementine didnt need the drugs, the group did.
Yes. But that Clementine cared about the group is the only reason she wanted to steal the meds.
BUT it was against her own moral values to kill someone who didnt wrong her in some way.
For the way she looked it that scene, she seemed to me like she was ready to pull the trigger, but anyway, your point here is pointless. That it was agaisnt her moral values didn´t prevent her for killing the russian.
Just mentioning the double standards which Kenny fans tend to have.
Well, like I said, I dissagre with what you saying here.
She says so herself, remember?
Jane: You are 90% of the reason I came back.
Yet she feels like shit once Luke dies? Is Luke not p… moreart of the group? Clementine didnt need the drugs, the group did.
You prefer Jane because she is rational and logical, so honestly I don´t know of you cannot see she was going to kill Arvo. I mean, it was the rational and logical thing, shut it up forever, right?
Yes, it would have been the most rational/logical thing to do at that point, BUT it was against her own moral values to kill someone who didnt wrong her in some way.
This is not even about Kenny, but about Jane and the Russian assault. In any case, I dissagre with what are you saying here.
Just mentioning the double standards which Kenny fans tend to have.
For the way she looked it that scene, she seemed to me like she was ready to pull the trigger, but anyway, your point here is pointless. That it was agaisnt her moral values didn´t prevent her for killing the russian.
She did it so save Kenny and rest of the group. If she let Kenny die, you would blame her for being immoral.
Yet she feels like shit once Luke dies?Is Luke not part of the group?
Yes. Luke is the other 10%. I never said otherwise. But that s… morehe cares a lot for Clementine and a butch for Luke because she fucked her doesn’t not mean Jane cares about all the group.
Clementine didnt need the drugs, the group did.
Yes. But that Clementine cared about the group is the only reason she wanted to steal the meds.
BUT it was against her own moral values to kill someone who didnt wrong her in some way.
For the way she looked it that scene, she seemed to me like she was ready to pull the trigger, but anyway, your point here is pointless. That it was agaisnt her moral values didn´t prevent her for killing the russian.
Just mentioning the double standards which Kenny fans tend to have.
Well, like I said, I dissagre with what you saying here.
Yeah, when they are on ground and you can use your own weight to crush their skulls. Clementine had a gun. Why not let her kill it like she … moredid?
I don´t think it was that the idea that Jane could have killed the walker by smashing it around that unrealistic, but let’s forget about that, because it was not even the whole point and if we go around with this it will only be pointlessly running in circles. Tell me, what prevented Jane to keep the walker off Clem or wait for Clem to shoot it instead of running off?
Arvo finds Clementine while she is hiding and starts the whole situation eventually.
You are assuming too much. The dialogue of the Russians does not give any reason to think they planned to rob Clem´s group
I have many times. Maybe you should read them.
The dialogue of the Russians does not give any reason to think they planned to rob Clem´s group, like I said.
And? Like I said, that it was agaist her moral values didn´t prevent her for killing the russian, so I don´t see why her moral values could have prevented her for killing Arvo when it the smart thing to do. She didn´t kill Arvo only because Clem was there to watch, and nothing more.
For the way she looked it that scene, she seemed to me like she was ready to pull the trigger, but anyway, your point here is pointless. Tha… moret it was agaisnt her moral values didn´t prevent her for killing the russian.
She did it so save Kenny and rest of the group. If she let Kenny die, you would blame her for being immoral.
She did it so save Kenny and rest of the group.
And? Like I said, that it was agaist her moral values didn´t prevent her for killing… more the russian, so I don´t see why her moral values could have prevented her for killing Arvo when it the smart thing to do. She didn´t kill Arvo only because Clem was there to watch, and nothing more.
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No matter what comes, Jane would let Clementine in the engraving.
Play the Game again.
Kenny is a awesome guy.
Like i've said before, Clementines safety is my priority in the most rational thing would be to leave/kill the baby.
Plus the walkers were too cold to move and didnt even aggro after Clementine shot bunch of them on the way to rest stop.
I did refute your points, you are just too stupid to realize that. The russians go after you no matter what happens in game. If you steal from them, they attack because of that. If you wont steal from them, they blame you for what Arvo did.
Are you just trolling?
They had a working car right next to them and very stubborn man who would decide what he wants and wont change his mind. If they wanted the car, they couldnt have just confronted Kenny about it. It had to be done this way. How come you can blame them for being selfish? in my game, 4 people wanted to go south, 1 wanted to go north and he was trying to force everyone follow his plan. How is that not selfish?
and jane ran away from the car clem was in while a zombie was getting in...
she stole meds (just like kenny stole supplies in seas1) so she got luke shot and wouldn't wait 4 bonnie so she bled out and died and she didn't hesitate to get in a fight to the death with kenny
She was a psycho an not good company for clem
First of all, she did that for the group. They were in bad shape. She pointed the gun at the kid so he wouldnt come back, and want kind of idiot would give some random person (who they just tried to rob) his gun back in za?
Did you not see how shocked Jane was after the robbery? Even she couldnt believe that she just tried to rob someone just because of the group.
Stop blaming Jane for the russian attack, since i have refuted that point more than once already.
So i guess you despise Kenny too for stealing from the Stranger?
Jane had no gun and a baby in her arms. Should she just have dropped the baby and help Clementine? Doesnt matter what happens with Arvo, they try to rob you anyway, so you cant possibly blame Jane for that.
haha you're so lame putting words in everones mouth, and reading on you just can't say jane was wrong...
Build a jane shrine or something....
Kenny fans are not as stubborn as you are, they have good points but all you say is NO
Making you a worse fan than the people you complain about
Yes i can just like you blame Kenny for everything
and jane can't do anything wrong, thats why you force people to get in to your lies that all you do is right, if you've played like you , your choises are probably the right ones but if you've played with different choises its all wrong in your eyes. Thats why people get irritated by your stubborn way of seeing things .
I know for sure that if it was kenny YOU would blame him for that....
Four words: boot to the head.
That Jane intimidated Arvo and stolen his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group, no matter if you rob the supplies or not, so yes, we can blame her for that because his her fault.
are you kidding? then lily should have shot kenny(who was doing what he thought was right and maybe he was right)
Reading this makes it very clear that you're a troll that just wants to be right all the time coming with the lamest excuses for every death in the game.
The fact that Arvo has his own plans no matter what you do, makes it no ones fault. If you steal, he blames you (even though he was the one stealing from his group). If you dont steal, they try to rob you anyway. Doesnt matter who was talking with Arvo, they will still try to rob you.
How? the zombie came through windshield and other zombies were coming to car and started to follow Jane.
"stole his gun" He was pointing it at Clementine and he was nervous... Do explain to me, how is it Janes fault that Arvo is stealing from his own group?
Because of Clem, not the group.
Which caused him to come back. Jane is clearly a genius. Ah, by the way, I think is kind of obvious that she mean to kill Arvo rigth there, not just intimidate him, but didn´t only because Clem was there.
Lol, nope. She said: 'How did I get in this situation, threathening some stupid kid." And was pretty false, because she intended to kill him, not threathed him.
Nope. You said the russians attack no matter what happen, ignoring that is Jane´s fault for intimidating Arvo and stealing his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group.
That situation is not even similar. The whole group-except Clem and determinately Lee- saw the open car full of supplies and stole them out of desperation. They had no reason to expect retribution, and in the Arvo case the retribution Jane´s actions could cause was fucking obvious, so another point against Jane the genius.
Why Lilly should have shot Kenny? Even after Kenny murdered her father, she didnt try to kill Kenny. If someone did that to Kenny, he WOULD murder you (Ben situation proving the point).
The only good thing I can ever remember Kenny doing for Clementine is taking that beating from Carver..
Yes, exactly. While the walker was stuck there, she would have breaked its head with her boot.
We see the zombies follow Jane only after she goes out of the car, but still, walkers are not that fast and breaking the walker´s head with her boot to help Clem could not have taken that much time.
Yes. And? Is still a threatening gesture, and it didn´t help matters in anyway. If you look at Arvo´s dialogue, he seems willing to just let Clementine go, but Jane ignores that anyway.
Arvo: I don´t want to shoot anybody especially…. Uh, a little girl.
It was not her fault. Hell, I never said it was her fault. Please stop putting words in my mouth. I said: That Jane intimidated Arvo and stolen his gun his the reason Arvo leads them to Clem´s group
Actually, it does not prove shit. Are you aware just how different the situations were or not? Ben confessed to being the cause of the dead of his family, that Duck was bitten and Katjaa killed herself rigth in front of him. Larry death was not murder, but a necesity. If he turned the group was fucked, and he was going to turn, because as soon as he dropped to the ground he was as good as death. Hell, you are also ignoring that the whole 'I kill you part' was just one outburst, and when they got back at the house-if you don´t drop Ben-he doesn´t try to kill him.
Yeah right... sorry. I forgot that Clementine is a drug addict.
Assumption. Just the fact that Arvo saw you, made you his scapegoat.
She said "i cant believe i've gotten into this mess. Taking some stupid kids stuff...like a bandit"
Yeah, she totally sounds like immoral bandit.
They were his scapegoats...just the fact that Arvo saw someone to blame made them a target. If you didnt steal, they just try to rob you.
So its ok to rob, when no one is watching?
Lol, nope. You should realize-even leaving aside the role that Jane´s actions played in the attack of the russians- that if Jane had acted differently Arvo could not have blamed Clem´s group because he could not have know of their existence.
No one else wanted responsibility? Mike.. Bonnie.. and Luke, well I guess he can't count. But Mike & Bonnie both were willing to step up to the plate.
Second of all, your still comparing "Carly's comment", yes COMMENT, to leaving a baby in car in order to make somebody think you killed it. Nice try bud. Come on really? So now, saying F you to somebody is the same as killing someone?
Jane never specifically stated it was killed on purpose. Walking during blizzard conditions were the baby can be easily lost but Kenny decided to interpret it as if she killed AJ with intent.
And yes, Carly was at fault. Let's not forget Lilly was right about Ben.
Logic not found from Kenny fans. People just can't accept that Kenny is a nice, but violent individual not capable of thinking plans through. Which can result in collateral damage.
That fight, was bait. And it was completely dependent on Kenny overreacting. If he would've listen to Clementine and heard Jane out, then I would've sided with him too.
Carley didn't say fuck you, she said more than that. By the way!
"lol, nope" thats your answer to everything. Ever considered the possibility that Arvos group actually ambushes others and steals from them? They had bunch of supplies and meds after all.
Your first point was so stupid that i wont even answer to that.
Nervous people can accidently shoot others.
Like ive said on other posts, the fact that Arvo saw someone, made them his scapegoats. If not scapegoat, they just rob you because thats most likely how they got all those meds and supplies in the first place.
Have you considered that if Jane had decided to hide instead of attacking Arvo, he could not have blamed Clem´s group because he could not have know of their existence?
You don´t answer because you can´t.
If Jane had not decided to ambush him, Arvo could not have anybody to blame.
You forget that the Russians attack because they think you robbed one of their group. If that had not happened, they probably could have decided that stealing for Clem´s group was not worth it, especially because Clem´s group didn´t have much of anything. So yes, the attack was mostly Jane´s fault.
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So you don´t even deny the fault in her actions or what?
Clementine cared about the group, and Jane cared about Clementine. So, yes, she did it for Clementine, not the group.
Leaving aside the role of Jane´s actions if the Russian attack, you should realize that if Jane had acted differently Arvo could not have blamed Clem´s group because he could not have known of their existence.
And? That doesn´t change that she obviously intended to kill Arvo, and did not do it just because Clem was there.
Yes. And Arvo could not made Clem´s group the target if Jane had not decided to ambush him, because he could not even have know of their existence.
No, but she should have considered the consequences of her actions. And she didn´t.
This is your retarded point... I thought it was too stupid to answer back.
Again, she had a baby in her arms (so she couldnt take support with her hands to kick efficiently inside the car) to and the walker was in the windshield, making it impossible to bash its head against something sturdy. Walkers were coming to the car and staying inside longer would have made it hard to escape, as they would have surrounded the only door that works. If she didnt go outside and lure the walkers away, they both would have been stuck inside.
Like i said before... Arvo had a gun and he was nervous. Only wise thing to do was to disarm him so he couldnt hurt Clementine, no matter what his intentions were originally.
Arvo ask for help and then tries to rob you. How does this imply they had no plan to rob you? It was a fucking ambush no matter what you do in the game.
You're implying that Jane doesnt care about the group at all. No point answering this.
Again, more assumptions based on nothing but "i hate Jane, Jane is evil".
"considered the consequences" Just like how Kenny does every time? This is the only stupid thing Jane did this entire season, and only reason she did it was because the group was in such a shitty condition.
First of all, Lee and other characters are show to break a walkers head with only a foot, without kicking the walker into something sturdy, so your point is pointless. Walkers were coming yes, but they were frozen, and, like I said, it could not have taken much time.
This is not even what I was saying. By ambush, I mean chossing to attack her instead of hiding at let him past without Arvo seeing none of them.
Watch the translated Russian dialogue sometime.
Yeah, when they are on ground and you can use your own weight to crush their skulls. Clementine had a gun. Why not let her kill it like she did?
Arvo finds Clementine while she is hiding and starts the whole situation eventually.
I have many times. Maybe you should read them.
She says so herself, remember?
Jane: You are 90% of the reason I came back.
You prefer Jane because she is rational and logical, so honestly I don´t know of you cannot see she was going to kill Arvo. I mean, it was the rational and logical thing, shut it up forever, right?
That and, you know, her whole stupid fucking plan about faking AJ´s death, but let’s not get talk about that. And lets forget she was only there for a littel of episode 3, and episode 4 and 5. But you know, that she didn´t consider the consequences make the Russian assault her fault.
This is not even about Kenny, but about Jane and the Russian assault. In any case, I dissagre with what are you saying here.
Jane: You are 90% of the reason I came back.
Yet she feels like shit once Luke dies? Is Luke not part of the group? Clementine didnt need the drugs, the group did.
Yes, it would have been the most rational/logical thing to do at that point, BUT it was against her own moral values to kill someone who didnt wrong her in some way.
Just mentioning the double standards which Kenny fans tend to have.
I don´t think it was that the idea that Jane could have killed the walker by smashing it around that unrealistic, but let’s forget about that, because it was not even the whole point and if we go around with this it will only be pointlessly running in circles. Tell me, what prevented Jane to keep the walker off Clem or wait for Clem to shoot it instead of running off?
You are assuming too much. The dialogue of the Russians does not give any reason to think they planned to rob Clem´s group
The dialogue of the Russians does not give any reason to think they planned to rob Clem´s group, like I said.
Yes. Luke is the other 10%. I never said otherwise. But that she cares a lot for Clementine and a butch for Luke because she fucked her doesn’t not mean Jane cares about all the group.
Yes. But that Clementine cared about the group is the only reason she wanted to steal the meds.
For the way she looked it that scene, she seemed to me like she was ready to pull the trigger, but anyway, your point here is pointless. That it was agaisnt her moral values didn´t prevent her for killing the russian.
Well, like I said, I dissagre with what you saying here.
She did it so save Kenny and rest of the group. If she let Kenny die, you would blame her for being immoral.
Walkers were coming, she had baby in her arms and she couldnt protect herself while she held the baby?
They talk about if clems group has any ammo to steal and then wonder if they actually have anything worth stealing.
And? Like I said, that it was agaist her moral values didn´t prevent her for killing the russian, so I don´t see why her moral values could have prevented her for killing Arvo when it the smart thing to do. She didn´t kill Arvo only because Clem was there to watch, and nothing more.
Russian guy was actually doing something harmful to people she cared about (some more than others).