Yeah I gotcha. We know Kenny's story. We knew he would resort to violence as a way of lashing out since he's been pushed so far. He's losed so much (I know everyone has, but everyone is different on how they handle all the dark shit they go through) and Jane got more fight than she could handle. Along with Jane butting heads with Kenny, the desperate situation they're in, and AJ (Kenny's reason for carrying on) supposidly dead because of Jane carelessness of course he would attack anything he saw as a threat.
Her plan sort of but remember she put a recent born baby (that should be dead) in danger. Kenny already lost Duck so why wouldn't he go nuts… more? Sure what he did on Arvo was unnecessary but this is a different situation and more rational. Anyone that is a parent would understand.
It really came down to the fact that I just couldn't trust Jane. She was clearly accustomed to leaving people behind, but I knew Kenny would never do anything to hurt Clementine. So yeah, I let Kenny kill her. After Kenny kills her, his reasoning for what he did was pretty sound. At any point, she could have stopped what was happening by saying AJ was alive. She wanted a fight.
And don't forget that Kenny got Clem and AJ safely to Wellington. That's worth a lot more than going back to Carver's camp in my book.
He was unstable, that's true, but he did all he did for the safety of Clementine and AJ, and if you let him live, he's successful in the end. He gets you to Wellington.
You obviously just didnt understand the point of the ending if your point of view is best to kill jane / molly v2.
Telltales games want you to forget abaut the past and look into the future, kenny is no ones future anymore and only a danger, telltale games want you to forget abaut feelings and not being soft, thats why they brang sarah to game as an example, she could not leave the past, was too soft, didnt want to grow up and what is led her to, she danger the group and herself and telltales didnt want clementine be same, soft girl that will spare kenny after all shit he done and supposed to get kicked out of the group long ago,
they on purpose manipulate us with his history and lee`s friendship so we will be soft to him and close the eyes to all what his done and willing to do, so the right choise is just to put him out of his misery
And in end telltale games putting us to next step with jane, is to invite strangers or tell them go away, this is abaut hummanity, they wanted to show you- if you became just like kenny that dont give a fuck abaut no one but just himself and by sending them away doesnt make u any better then him in that situation and which is 70% of steam players did for some reason,
and 30% of the players are invited them which was the right choise becouse we all should remember that clementine got a trust from lukes group, not warm welcome trust but they didnt shot her down or kicked away far from their place, got trust from bonnie, mike, sarah, jane so give them a chance and trust them like everyone trusted you is would be the right way , so dont become like a kenny and think spare him was the right choice
Kenny was never my best friend and I killed him because someone else was in trouble, she didn't manipulate me. And yes I probably could forgive them if they had a good reason.
Kenny was never my best friend and I killed him because someone else was in trouble, she didn't manipulate me. And yes I probably could forgive them if they had a good reason.
Look, what you're saying is all baseless, you have no facts to back it up, you're just saying this because you do not personally like the character. Jane did attempt to leave in episode 4 yet she came back so she must have some loyalty, whether or not you want to admit to that. If Jane was going to abandon Clem in one of her endings, why didn't she do it in between the 9 days? So please, can we not come up with hypotheticals with no proof to back up our claims? I would like this discussion to be only based on the facts.
I know this is quite old, but I just wanted to say that shooting to wound is something you can never be sure of. Clementine was emotionally wrecked, physically exhausted and wounded, and aiming with one hand. Even with her skills, she's lucky she hit him at all. When you point a gun at someone, you have to be willing to kill them. No doubt Clementine would have liked to wound him instead, but when you're pointing a gun and you can barely aim for the above reasons, you know you just might kill the person.
I totally believed her and I think this is a big factor in the discussions because we simply didn't know until after we had to let one chara… morecter die. So for me, I loved both Kenny and Jane. Kenny and I had history and that counts for a lot but I couldn't let him just murder Jane. So I shot him (and I think it's a bit poor that we didn't have a shoot to wound option but the end got waaaaay too black and white for my tastes).
Only then did I find out that the baby was alive and this was an utterly pointless death. But I couldn't have known that. My decision was made without that information. And then again another completely extreme black or white choice (how about a 'I hate you but I have to go along with you for safety and we might work this out' option?) and I couldn't possibly just forgive Jane then and there.
And so I ended up alone and with what was to me a very unsatisfactory ending.
So yeah, I totally believed Jane. I had no reason not to.
I agree with you mostly, but as for me (and thus, my Clementine) I thought she might have actually killed the baby. So yes, Clem had suspicions. I shot Kenny though, because I had no evidence that she had deliberately hurt the baby. Which I guess is exactly what Jane was trying to prove. My point is that I wasn't 'going along' with her. I had suspicions but no proof, and the same was true for Kenny.
As to your first point, yes but only partially since discussing that choice is not the sole purpose of this thread, with that in mind I see … moreno reason to lock this thread, that is as long as everything is kept civil and no heated arguments arise.
Yes I rewound, I will admit that I am a bit ashamed for rewinding such a crucial moment, however I want to point that I have never before done this and have only done it because at that time I felt like I had to.
Moving on to your second point, I believe I know what you mean and now to form my reply in a coherent and comprehensive manner.
Yes Clementine doesn't know all that but it seems pretty likely that she can tell something isn't quite right about the whole situation from the moment Jane arrived without AJ, while that alone can indicate a lot of things it is what happens afterwards that can tell you what Jane is (or rather was) originally planning to do, when she says "No matter what hap… [view original content]
I didn't know how reliable or dependable Jane could be or would be to Clementine. I didn't like how Jane kept provoking Kenny with mentions of his family when she knew how unstable he was. And when he's trying to stab you, why not reveal your plan about the baby right then and there? Clearly by then all players have seen how far he's fallen. There was absolutely no need for Jane to keep it up as long as she did.
On the other hand, I didn't want Clementine to be with Kenny either. I was a little more loyal to him than I was to Jane (because of his history with Clementine, and of protectiveness towards her) but I couldn't trust him either. Not completely. The thing about Kenny is that he wants the best for Clementine, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is the best for her. Also taking into account that Clementine has a baby to look after, I have to do what's best for their survival.
So I let Kenny kill Jane, and then I stayed at Wellington with AJ.
It's an interesting take but I do have a few problems with it. First of all, all those things about Carver that you describe Clementine turning into are... well, not critical to his character. How can Clementine "become" Carver if she's still nothing like him after killing Kenny? Especially if she lets his family in. When Carver talks about someone to leave everything to, sure he's talking about Howe's, but I highly doubt he's JUST talking about Howe's. He wants his philosophy to live on. Clem and Jane living in Howe's, working to survive and help people would probably piss him right off.
Although I got the Jane ending, my Clem is nothing like Carver. She loved Kenny and Jane and only shot him because he was about to murder her. Once she found out what Jane's plan was, exactly, she was furious. The only reason my Clem forgave her is because she wanted to help Jane, she wanted help with AJ, and she didn't want to allow any other relationships to fall apart anymore. I wish there had been an option to say "I forgive you, but that was a horrible, evil thing to do." or something similar.
And letting the timer run out at Howe's shows that she has helped Jane become less like Carver, more helpful, more willing to trust.
To me, that shows Clem is practically spitting in Carver's face.
Thread: What The Endings Mean
PLEASE NOTE: This thread is entirely my opinion and points of views from the ending. What I say are not d… moreefinitely what Telltale intended for the endings, unless they confirm so I am just expressing my opinions.
I finally just realised something, and that is what the endings mean. The famous line "Who will YOU become?" was used for the promotion of No Going Back, the finale to Season 2, and even during the trailer it showed Clementine claiming that she was nothing like Carver. Well that depends on your endings.
Carver says "It's not this herd that keeps me up at night. We can handle that. It's not knowing if I got anybody to hand all this [Carvers Camp at Howe's] off to." Well Carver during In Harms Way also beats Kenny and remarks that he should have put Kenny "out of his misery". Comparing Kenny to a mess.
Well killing Kenny for whatever reason, is becoming Carver. Whatever reason you had, you sti… [view original content]
I couldn't disagree more about the final conclusion. At Wellington, Clem wasn't in a position to be wary of strangers. After how Wellington had been built up, of course she's going to go in (or leave with Kenny). If she leaves with Kenny, do you think either of them are gonna wanna allow others to travel with them? After the shit they've been through? ESPECIALLY Kenny.
I understand your point, but they are two deeply different situations. Of course the game focuses on the tension, because of everything that happened. But the fact that Jane lets them in if the timer runs out shows me hope. Yes they're wary, they're sizing them up, things are tense.
But they're letting them in despite that. JANE is. They're trying to make it work despite all the stuff they've seen.
Because the tone of the Jane endings isn't hopeful. It's paranoid. If you turn them away, you get a "We'll be back" warning. If you let them… more in, the direction focuses on their weapons and the tension in the air. Sure, Clem could make a community, but that's not the implication at all. The implication is cyclical, never ending paranoia.
I went with Jane because within a sea of maniacs, dumbasses, villians, squabblers, and general incompetency, it was great to find someone with a level-head and pragmatic outlook. Her survivalist philosophy was down pat, and I related. Kenny though was a stubborn, brash asshole who's behaviour had and would've continued to get people into trouble. He was pretty accepting of being shot anyway, so... your welcome?
Well to me when Jane "Pretended" to kill AJ it seemed like Kenny was being protective. That his protective ways were kicking in, she just to Kenny and Clem at the begging to kill a baby! How do you know Jane wouldn't do that to one of them? Even at Weligton Kenny says "Just take the kids" Kenny only wants whats best for her" And just like Lee said "Sometimes to save the people you love you have to hurt someone else" And that's what Kenny was doing. He was doing what was best for Clem in my eyes. Kenny is a good guy. But to me I always agreed with Kenny, so my characters connection with Kenny was pretty strong. That's my opinion though
yeah i know, but the other times, him agreeing with Clem just feels... misplaced, letting Clem go with the baby seems like something Kenny w… moreould never do, atleast not without a very heated discussion, and the "just do it" shooting in the head, was probably just because he couldnt do it himself, which he already stated back in s1 ep5. The killing Larry thing was a dick move, but he did it with good intentions, he should have waited a little longer, but there was no one, who could know if he would survive or die. The implying to let Ben die, was an asshole move, But if he had killed my wife and child, i think i would be kinda pissed too. Theres a big difference between those two things, and killing an (arguably) okay person, of what Kenny (at the time) knew was an accident, im not saying what Jane did was right, that was a physcho move, but getting killed for it is not right, so even though i love Kenny a LOT!!! more than i like Jane, i chose t… [view original content]
I know I'm late to the party but I thought I'd throw in my two cents for whatever it's worth! I tried so hard to help Kenny get off the path of self-destruction that he was on. He was getting increasingly violent and becoming more like Carver (the relentless beating of Arvo a case in point). I think Telltale cleverly had Kenny lose an eye to show his transformation into a Governor-type character. He was becoming way too explosive and I think he was suffering from PTSD. I mean, no one could be mentally stable after what he went through. I think he was still a good guy deep down, but that part of him was getting smaller and smaller and it showed in his actions. Whatever you think of Jane, she said that losing the baby was an accident. No one in their right mind would kill someone over that. Also, when Clementine tries to talk Kenny down at the end he behaves violently towards her, which he has no right to do. Although Jane tried to provoke him, she did it to show what his core self has become. If you have to tiptoe around someone because you're afraid to provoke them, then something's not right. I think Kenny truly was a ticking time-bomb that will inevitably explode, hurting not only him, but those around him. He was too emotionally impulsive in a world where reason and sanity are needed to survive. He also fought with almost everyone - if everyone else is always the problem and in the wrong, it's probably time to realise that you're in fact the problem and at fault. Kenny's descent into madness, particulary at the end, reminded me of Jack Torrance's descent in The Shining. I also appreciate the references to Yeats's "The Second Coming" and Emily Dickinson's "Because I could not stop for Death" in the achievement titles. Thanks for a great experience either way Telltale, I've never put so much thought into a video game before lol.
Kenny didn't want to make the same mistake with AJ after Duck. He made a promise, that's why he was so aggressive at times. Also, what I've noticed is that Kenny reacted the same way to Arvo as Carver did to him. He wanted to kill Arvo because he thought he was a danger to the group and would slow them down. Then after Arvo shot Clem, Kenny didn't want to listen to anyone. That's why Jane couldn't talk any sense to him anymore. Because he believed that there would be more pain unless they reach Wellington. Now he was wrong about Jane though. He said that Jane didn't care about anybody but herself. But if she did only care about herself, Kenny, Clementine, Luke, and the rest of the group would probably be dead. Jane risked her Life for Clementine. Jane even killed someone she didn't want to kill just to save Kenny. Kenny just didn't want to make the same mistake. He thought Jane was another whole "Lilly Situation." Kenny was more aggressive because he lost more than everybody else. But he did scare Mike, Bonnie, Arvo, and even Clementine. He really only felt what was best for the baby and the whole group. He wanted to do it for His parents because he believed that it was his fault for his father's death. Throughout episode 5 things went unexpected for Kenny and he felt that it was useless every time something bad happened that he didn't like. Just like Carver wanted to keep obedience for his camp, Kenny wanted the same for AJ and the group. Jane used logic. She listened to Bonnie and ended up being right about the baby formula being at Carver's camp. Of course Kenny didn't want to go because he risked everything to get to Wellington for AJ. But however it almost seemed a waste after he finds out that they won't except any more newcomers. Jane with clementine on the other hand have all if Carver's camp with some supplies and food left along with the greenhouse. Then they could use that to bring newcomers in unlike Wellington. One thing is for certain, they both cared about Clementine. I like them both despite their difficulties.
Jane was more or less a sociopath, and the way they telegraphed the fact she was purposefully trying to get Clem to kill Kenny made it a tough but not very tough choice. I certainly wasn't going to let her pull my strings like a puppet. And I'm no Kenny stan, the guy was combustible but loyal to a fault.
Agreed. Jane didn't wait for things to turn bad, she tried to force your hand whether you wanted it to happen or not. She selfishly wanted Clem to become her new "sister" whether "Clem" wanted to or not. For a person who talked about being able to leave groups at the drop of a hat, in the end she was killed because she couldn't get over the guilt of losing her sister, so she tried to recreate it with a surrogate (Clem). Which caused her to do a batman's gambit that put the remaining people around her at risk so she could get what she wanted.
Jane was more or less a sociopath, and the way they telegraphed the fact she was purposefully trying to get Clem to kill Kenny made it a tou… moregh but not very tough choice. I certainly wasn't going to let her pull my strings like a puppet. And I'm no Kenny stan, the guy was combustible but loyal to a fault.
From my (or I guess my Clem's) POV, Jane was obviously making a play and she lost and I'm not gonna kill the only dude I've been with from day one because she picked a fight she couldn't win. Imagine, being a hundred pound chick purposefully working Kenny into a rage to get into a life or death battle with him, when getting his skull crushed in with a good dozen blows from a metal radio only made Hulk mad.
Agreed. Jane didn't wait for things to turn bad, she tried to force your hand whether you wanted it to happen or not. She selfishly wanted C… morelem to become her new "sister" whether "Clem" wanted to or not. For a person who talked about being able to leave groups at the drop of a hat, in the end she was killed because she couldn't get over the guilt of losing her sister, so she tried to recreate it with a surrogate (Clem). Which caused her to do a batman's gambit that put the remaining people around her at risk so she could get what she wanted.
Agreed. Jane didn't wait for things to turn bad, she tried to force your hand whether you wanted it to happen or not. She selfishly wanted C… morelem to become her new "sister" whether "Clem" wanted to or not. For a person who talked about being able to leave groups at the drop of a hat, in the end she was killed because she couldn't get over the guilt of losing her sister, so she tried to recreate it with a surrogate (Clem). Which caused her to do a batman's gambit that put the remaining people around her at risk so she could get what she wanted.
From my (or I guess my Clem's) POV, Jane was obviously making a play and she lost and I'm not gonna kill the only dude I've been with from d… moreay one because she picked a fight she couldn't win. Imagine, being a hundred pound chick purposefully working Kenny into a rage to get into a life or death battle with him, when getting his skull crushed in with a good dozen blows from a metal radio only made Hulk mad.
Guess she wasn't all that pragmatic at the end.
That's what always gets left out. Kenny is straight up beast mode. He survived a herd with no bullets, got his skull crushed in and got up after a few hours, always ready to throw down. That's a huge positive in that dude's favor. Kenny is gonna survive. Not hesitating, even if he's wrong sometimes, is an asset in that world. And I had at best a mixed relationship with that dude as Lee and Clem, no Kenny bromance over here.
That's what always gets left out. Kenny is straight up beast mode. He survived a herd with no bullets, got his skull crushed in and got up a… morefter a few hours, always ready to throw down. That's a huge positive in that dude's favor. Kenny is gonna survive. Not hesitating, even if he's wrong sometimes, is an asset in that world. And I had at best a mixed relationship with that dude as Lee and Clem, no Kenny bromance over here.
Well to be fair, Neither does Kenny. He killed Larry, Let Lee kill Ben, Told you basically to "Fuck off" if you didn't MURDER PEOPLE WITH HIM, Let's you risk your life more to find Clem, Harms Clem directly and Indirectly on many occasions, Put the entire Season 2 group at risk, Went completely batshit insane, He Imprinted on AJ like he was Jacob from twilight, Never felt remorse for anyone, Blamed you for Sarita's death in a Blind rage, And made Season 2 an Unbearable, Crappily written, Shit-fest.
Jane? She offered Sex to Luke and Hid a baby in a car to Anger your precious Boat god. Could you at least ONCE see it from Someone else's view?
Not because Kenny hated him, he did that because he was fearful of him becoming a walker and he would have killed us all, Clementine included.
Let Lee kill Ben
Uh, what? Lee killing Ben is determinant. You know why Kenny wanted Ben dead.
Never felt remorse for anyone
You're lying. Kenny was shocked on Carley/Doug's death in Episode 3. Kenny did want to rescue Ben (If saved), didn't he? Why didn't he just let the walkers kill him? He prevented his sufferring. Kenny regretted shooting Carver that caused Alvin to die/wished Alvin was alive to take care of his baby. He beat the crap out of Arvo because he got Luke killed.
Blamed you for Sarita's death in a Blind rage
If you wanna blame someone, is Telltale, because Episode 4 was shit.
And made Season 2 an Unbearable, Crappily written, Shit-fest.
Not just him. Jane got a lot of development for no reason, she wasn't even in the whole season.
She offered Sex to Luke and Hid a baby in a car to Anger your precious Boat god
I'm not a fan of boats lol. Her offer would have killed everyone and hidding a baby in a car to show how reckless a man is was stupid, heartless and pathetic.
Well to be fair, Neither does Kenny. He killed Larry, Let Lee kill Ben, Told you basically to "Fuck off" if you didn't MURDER PEOPLE WITH HI… moreM, Let's you risk your life more to find Clem, Harms Clem directly and Indirectly on many occasions, Put the entire Season 2 group at risk, Went completely batshit insane, He Imprinted on AJ like he was Jacob from twilight, Never felt remorse for anyone, Blamed you for Sarita's death in a Blind rage, And made Season 2 an Unbearable, Crappily written, Shit-fest.
Jane? She offered Sex to Luke and Hid a baby in a car to Anger your precious Boat god. Could you at least ONCE see it from Someone else's view?
How is a character that completely changes her character in an episode realistic, she's a character starting out strange and ended up just being a stand in for Luke in the Kenny fight, even when it made no sense
Okay, For a moment, Put yourself in Jane's shoes. She's just Met Clementine, A girl who's given Her Painful PTSD flashbacks to her own Sister that she Loved, And is gone. She begins to fall in love with this Little girl, Who is equally as fond of her. She begins to Like a Handsome boy in the Group, and She now Understands how Important the Children growing up in this are, At least the ones who had a chance. Now, She's fallen in Love with Clem, and this Boy, But feels the Baby is going to get people killed still. (Which he does) But after Losing her love, She's feeling broken, Until she realizes how Important AJ really is, And the Chance he has to Survive. And she loves Clem too, But knows How much Kenny loves the both of them, Kenny, a Mad man who Doesn't trust Jane, and wants her Dead. You know he's gonna Snap, so You have to reveal his True colors to Show Clem he's dangerous, but not try and Kill him. She hesitantly puts the Baby in a car in the cold, Trying to reveal who he Really is, But He snaps. He tries to murder you. Picture your Life flashing before your eyes, about to die after trying so hard to Protect Clem and AJ. Picture yourself in her Shoes.
Have you ever Become insane after Losing someone you love? It's torture. And I know, My Grandparents have Died, a Close friend Committed suicide last month, And Another close friend died in a Car accident years ago... You become lost many times, You hurt others, and It haunts you for a long time... And you feel nothing but Shit and bitter, And you try to help everyone in Sick twisted Ways. I know how Jane felt, and That's why I know how good she Truly is. So don't criticize her for Losing everything, and Going insane. Because you might as Fucking well Criticize anyone who has lost someone before. So do you understand now?
He killed Larry
Not because Kenny hated him, he did that because he was fearful of him becoming a walker and he would have killed us… more all, Clementine included.
Let Lee kill Ben
Uh, what? Lee killing Ben is determinant. You know why Kenny wanted Ben dead.
Never felt remorse for anyone
You're lying. Kenny was shocked on Carley/Doug's death in Episode 3. Kenny did want to rescue Ben (If saved), didn't he? Why didn't he just let the walkers kill him? He prevented his sufferring. Kenny regretted shooting Carver that caused Alvin to die/wished Alvin was alive to take care of his baby. He beat the crap out of Arvo because he got Luke killed.
Blamed you for Sarita's death in a Blind rage
If you wanna blame someone, is Telltale, because Episode 4 was shit.
And made Season 2 an Unbearable, Crappily written, Shit-fest.
Not just him. Jane got a lot of development for no reason, she wasn't eve… [view original content]
Exactly! I never understood this crazy devotion that people have towards Kenny. he was a nice, reliable guy before and a friend of Lee. but after everything that happened, he was completely broken! and that was a very clear situation to see, and the ENTIRE GROUP was unanimous about it.
I think Jane showed incredible courage to confront someone like that, risking her own life. literally dealing with a bomb waiting to explode at any time. while all the others desperately tried to flee away from him. (..and rightly so)
People who say she was "manipulative" simply didn't understand what she was trying to say, or simply refused to accept the fact that Kenny's toxic behavior was disrupting/destroying everyone around.
..and I will not even say anything about that sugar-coated Wellington ending. where we all know that it probably would have ended in a tragically freezing way..
I know I'm late to the party but I thought I'd throw in my two cents for whatever it's worth! I tried so hard to help Kenny get off the path… more of self-destruction that he was on. He was getting increasingly violent and becoming more like Carver (the relentless beating of Arvo a case in point). I think Telltale cleverly had Kenny lose an eye to show his transformation into a Governor-type character. He was becoming way too explosive and I think he was suffering from PTSD. I mean, no one could be mentally stable after what he went through. I think he was still a good guy deep down, but that part of him was getting smaller and smaller and it showed in his actions. Whatever you think of Jane, she said that losing the baby was an accident. No one in their right mind would kill someone over that. Also, when Clementine tries to talk Kenny down at the end he behaves violently towards her, which he has no right to do. Although Jane tried to provoke him,… [view original content]
Why did telltale choose Jane to be a determinant character against Kenny, why could'nt it be Luke. I wish that Jane was lily and they brought her back.
Okay, For a moment, Put yourself in Jane's shoes. She's just Met Clementine, A girl who's given Her Painful PTSD flashbacks to her own Siste… morer that she Loved, And is gone. She begins to fall in love with this Little girl, Who is equally as fond of her. She begins to Like a Handsome boy in the Group, and She now Understands how Important the Children growing up in this are, At least the ones who had a chance. Now, She's fallen in Love with Clem, and this Boy, But feels the Baby is going to get people killed still. (Which he does) But after Losing her love, She's feeling broken, Until she realizes how Important AJ really is, And the Chance he has to Survive. And she loves Clem too, But knows How much Kenny loves the both of them, Kenny, a Mad man who Doesn't trust Jane, and wants her Dead. You know he's gonna Snap, so You have to reveal his True colors to Show Clem he's dangerous, but not try and Kill him. She hesitantly puts the Baby in a car i… [view original content]
It's interesting how the people who least understand the words "sociopath and psychopath" are the ones who are most likely to apply it. Sociopaths don't agonize over the past and they don't get shocked when they kill - Jane was pretty damn stunned when she stabbed the Russian and Kenny finished him off.
He's only "loyal to a fault" if you kiss his ass. If you tell him he's wrong his tune changes. Kenny refused to help my Lee find Clem.
You say that Jane was manipulative? Kenny was just as manipulative. It's funny how things only seem manipulative when you disagree with them. Kenny uses his history with Clem to guilt her when she disagrees with him. Neither of them were any more manipulative than the average person. They both share their opinions about the situation and the other characters and you, as a player, side with the person you agree with.
Dismissing people who disagree with you by saying they were 'manipulated' is just plain insulting.
Jane was more or less a sociopath, and the way they telegraphed the fact she was purposefully trying to get Clem to kill Kenny made it a tou… moregh but not very tough choice. I certainly wasn't going to let her pull my strings like a puppet. And I'm no Kenny stan, the guy was combustible but loyal to a fault.
You know, It's fine dude... I'm so sorry I tried to force my Opinion of Jane on you, or Try and change it. I feel like a douche, and there's no use fighting an Opinion anymore. It's just opinion, Am I right?
You are right, I am not saying that Jane actually had Antisocial Personality Disorder, I'm using the term colloquially. Parker from the Richard Stark novels is constantly referred to as a sociopath; so is Tom Ripley from the Highsmith novels. Neither are in a clinical sense, but the former is absolutely heartless and the latter is more or less a serial killer.
As far as I can tell, the only people Jane had any emotional reactions about were herself and Clementine, who became a stand-in for her little sister. Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate Jane or think she was a bad person, I actually liked her. I tried to stop her and Kenny from beefing the whole time. But during the last fight I was like, "What the fuck are you doing!?!" the whole time. And at the end, I couldn't bring myself to kill Kenny because she picked possibly the dumbest fight of all time.
My Lee didn't have a great relationship with Kenny-I didn't help kill Larry, I beat his ass on the train, I saved Ben, etc.-and he turned me down too at the end of the fourth episode. But then I said she was my family and he came.
And that's basically Kenny's whole motivation in one word: family. That's why I never felt that he was a danger to Clem or AJ. He's insanely protective of kids. It's not even that I thought he was super awesome, Clem was his stand-in for Duck after all, but I don't think he was particularly worse than Jane either.
In ice-cold realistic terms, "pragmatic" Jane made a completely irrational decision to provoke Kenny into a life or death fight without even a gun, a hundred pound girl against a guy twice her size she intentionally caused to Hulk out and who had just recently got beat half to death with a metal radio and it barely slowed him down. She made her play and lost. I'm not Captain Save-A-Hoe.
It's interesting how the people who least understand the words "sociopath and psychopath" are the ones who are most likely to apply it. Soci… moreopaths don't agonize over the past and they don't get shocked when they kill - Jane was pretty damn stunned when she stabbed the Russian and Kenny finished him off.
He's only "loyal to a fault" if you kiss his ass. If you tell him he's wrong his tune changes. Kenny refused to help my Lee find Clem.
You say that Jane was manipulative? Kenny was just as manipulative. It's funny how things only seem manipulative when you disagree with them. Kenny uses his history with Clem to guilt her when she disagrees with him. Neither of them were any more manipulative than the average person. They both share their opinions about the situation and the other characters and you, as a player, side with the person you agree with.
Dismissing people who disagree with you by saying they were 'manipulated' is just plain insulting.
I dunno, Luke was too much of a goodie two-shoes. The guy basically had no moral downside. And Telltale was trying to make the decision as hard as possible and IMO did a pretty good job of balancing Kenny and Jane.
The only thing that bugged me is how obviously Jane was supposed to be Molly.
How is a character that completely changes her character in an episode realistic, she's a character starting out strange and ended up just being a stand in for Luke in the Kenny fight, even when it made no sense
I underdstand the loner aspect as being similar to molly, and the realism and yada-yada.
But I don't like the comparison of Molly to Jane because Jane always felt the need to put her 2 cents in about ppl she just met, and kept trying to make herself look like the most sane one there, which did quite the opposite in my eyes. But Molly on the other end was fight or flight. She doesnt talk shit about ur group (enough for me to remember), she has a better balance of character development, from not caring and putting her wishes over the groups, to collaboration, to caring for them, then leaving in a logical manner. One thing I loved about Mollys character when I compare her to Jane is she never tried to make u make a decision. she probably coulda killed Kenny lol
I hate how telltale tried to make them similar, because Molly was really the better character of the two. Molly was a better survivor, she was smarter and way more stable mentally.
I dunno, Luke was too much of a goodie two-shoes. The guy basically had no moral downside. And Telltale was trying to make the decision as h… moreard as possible and IMO did a pretty good job of balancing Kenny and Jane.
The only thing that bugged me is how obviously Jane was supposed to be Molly.
It just seemed like Telltale was like, "Hmmm, how can we bring Molly back?" And then couldn't figure out a way because they were in Virginia by that point so they gave us another female survivor with a plain name and a sad story about a little sister. That's one of the few things that made me outright groan in either season, when she had a little sister that died too.
I underdstand the loner aspect as being similar to molly, and the realism and yada-yada.
But I don't like the comparison of Molly to Jane… more because Jane always felt the need to put her 2 cents in about ppl she just met, and kept trying to make herself look like the most sane one there, which did quite the opposite in my eyes. But Molly on the other end was fight or flight. She doesnt talk shit about ur group (enough for me to remember), she has a better balance of character development, from not caring and putting her wishes over the groups, to collaboration, to caring for them, then leaving in a logical manner. One thing I loved about Mollys character when I compare her to Jane is she never tried to make u make a decision. she probably coulda killed Kenny lol
I hate how telltale tried to make them similar, because Molly was really the better character of the two. Molly was a better survivor, she was smarter and way more stable mentally.
I disagree that it was irrational - just poorly executed. He was too volatile and he needed to be confronted sooner rather than later. I wanted to kill Kenny before they even left the cabin. When Clem was walking around the truck to get in the passenger seat I wanted to shoot him through the back of the head.
You're not "Captain Save-A-Hoe", thumbs up on that whole remaining civil thing, and as far as I'm concerned Kenny needed to be put down or abandoned.
You are right, I am not saying that Jane actually had Antisocial Personality Disorder, I'm using the term colloquially. Parker from the Rich… moreard Stark novels is constantly referred to as a sociopath; so is Tom Ripley from the Highsmith novels. Neither are in a clinical sense, but the former is absolutely heartless and the latter is more or less a serial killer.
As far as I can tell, the only people Jane had any emotional reactions about were herself and Clementine, who became a stand-in for her little sister. Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate Jane or think she was a bad person, I actually liked her. I tried to stop her and Kenny from beefing the whole time. But during the last fight I was like, "What the fuck are you doing!?!" the whole time. And at the end, I couldn't bring myself to kill Kenny because she picked possibly the dumbest fight of all time.
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Yeah I gotcha. We know Kenny's story. We knew he would resort to violence as a way of lashing out since he's been pushed so far. He's losed so much (I know everyone has, but everyone is different on how they handle all the dark shit they go through) and Jane got more fight than she could handle. Along with Jane butting heads with Kenny, the desperate situation they're in, and AJ (Kenny's reason for carrying on) supposidly dead because of Jane carelessness of course he would attack anything he saw as a threat.
It really came down to the fact that I just couldn't trust Jane. She was clearly accustomed to leaving people behind, but I knew Kenny would never do anything to hurt Clementine. So yeah, I let Kenny kill her. After Kenny kills her, his reasoning for what he did was pretty sound. At any point, she could have stopped what was happening by saying AJ was alive. She wanted a fight.
And don't forget that Kenny got Clem and AJ safely to Wellington. That's worth a lot more than going back to Carver's camp in my book.
He was unstable, that's true, but he did all he did for the safety of Clementine and AJ, and if you let him live, he's successful in the end. He gets you to Wellington.
You obviously just didnt understand the point of the ending if your point of view is best to kill jane / molly v2.
Telltales games want you to forget abaut the past and look into the future, kenny is no ones future anymore and only a danger, telltale games want you to forget abaut feelings and not being soft, thats why they brang sarah to game as an example, she could not leave the past, was too soft, didnt want to grow up and what is led her to, she danger the group and herself and telltales didnt want clementine be same, soft girl that will spare kenny after all shit he done and supposed to get kicked out of the group long ago,
they on purpose manipulate us with his history and lee`s friendship so we will be soft to him and close the eyes to all what his done and willing to do, so the right choise is just to put him out of his misery
And in end telltale games putting us to next step with jane, is to invite strangers or tell them go away, this is abaut hummanity, they wanted to show you- if you became just like kenny that dont give a fuck abaut no one but just himself and by sending them away doesnt make u any better then him in that situation and which is 70% of steam players did for some reason,
and 30% of the players are invited them which was the right choise becouse we all should remember that clementine got a trust from lukes group, not warm welcome trust but they didnt shot her down or kicked away far from their place, got trust from bonnie, mike, sarah, jane so give them a chance and trust them like everyone trusted you is would be the right way , so dont become like a kenny and think spare him was the right choice
She manipulated her no matter. Jane's plan was pointless. Jane will ditch Clementine.
You really should replay season 1 again.
Why would I need to replay season 1?
Look, what you're saying is all baseless, you have no facts to back it up, you're just saying this because you do not personally like the character. Jane did attempt to leave in episode 4 yet she came back so she must have some loyalty, whether or not you want to admit to that. If Jane was going to abandon Clem in one of her endings, why didn't she do it in between the 9 days? So please, can we not come up with hypotheticals with no proof to back up our claims? I would like this discussion to be only based on the facts.
I know this is quite old, but I just wanted to say that shooting to wound is something you can never be sure of. Clementine was emotionally wrecked, physically exhausted and wounded, and aiming with one hand. Even with her skills, she's lucky she hit him at all. When you point a gun at someone, you have to be willing to kill them. No doubt Clementine would have liked to wound him instead, but when you're pointing a gun and you can barely aim for the above reasons, you know you just might kill the person.
I agree with you mostly, but as for me (and thus, my Clementine) I thought she might have actually killed the baby. So yes, Clem had suspicions. I shot Kenny though, because I had no evidence that she had deliberately hurt the baby. Which I guess is exactly what Jane was trying to prove. My point is that I wasn't 'going along' with her. I had suspicions but no proof, and the same was true for Kenny.
I didn't know how reliable or dependable Jane could be or would be to Clementine. I didn't like how Jane kept provoking Kenny with mentions of his family when she knew how unstable he was. And when he's trying to stab you, why not reveal your plan about the baby right then and there? Clearly by then all players have seen how far he's fallen. There was absolutely no need for Jane to keep it up as long as she did.
On the other hand, I didn't want Clementine to be with Kenny either. I was a little more loyal to him than I was to Jane (because of his history with Clementine, and of protectiveness towards her) but I couldn't trust him either. Not completely. The thing about Kenny is that he wants the best for Clementine, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is the best for her. Also taking into account that Clementine has a baby to look after, I have to do what's best for their survival.
So I let Kenny kill Jane, and then I stayed at Wellington with AJ.
It's an interesting take but I do have a few problems with it. First of all, all those things about Carver that you describe Clementine turning into are... well, not critical to his character. How can Clementine "become" Carver if she's still nothing like him after killing Kenny? Especially if she lets his family in. When Carver talks about someone to leave everything to, sure he's talking about Howe's, but I highly doubt he's JUST talking about Howe's. He wants his philosophy to live on. Clem and Jane living in Howe's, working to survive and help people would probably piss him right off.
Although I got the Jane ending, my Clem is nothing like Carver. She loved Kenny and Jane and only shot him because he was about to murder her. Once she found out what Jane's plan was, exactly, she was furious. The only reason my Clem forgave her is because she wanted to help Jane, she wanted help with AJ, and she didn't want to allow any other relationships to fall apart anymore. I wish there had been an option to say "I forgive you, but that was a horrible, evil thing to do." or something similar.
And letting the timer run out at Howe's shows that she has helped Jane become less like Carver, more helpful, more willing to trust.
To me, that shows Clem is practically spitting in Carver's face.
I couldn't disagree more about the final conclusion. At Wellington, Clem wasn't in a position to be wary of strangers. After how Wellington had been built up, of course she's going to go in (or leave with Kenny). If she leaves with Kenny, do you think either of them are gonna wanna allow others to travel with them? After the shit they've been through? ESPECIALLY Kenny.
I understand your point, but they are two deeply different situations. Of course the game focuses on the tension, because of everything that happened. But the fact that Jane lets them in if the timer runs out shows me hope. Yes they're wary, they're sizing them up, things are tense.
But they're letting them in despite that. JANE is. They're trying to make it work despite all the stuff they've seen.
That's hope to me.
I went with Jane because within a sea of maniacs, dumbasses, villians, squabblers, and general incompetency, it was great to find someone with a level-head and pragmatic outlook. Her survivalist philosophy was down pat, and I related. Kenny though was a stubborn, brash asshole who's behaviour had and would've continued to get people into trouble. He was pretty accepting of being shot anyway, so... your welcome?
Well to me when Jane "Pretended" to kill AJ it seemed like Kenny was being protective. That his protective ways were kicking in, she just to Kenny and Clem at the begging to kill a baby! How do you know Jane wouldn't do that to one of them? Even at Weligton Kenny says "Just take the kids" Kenny only wants whats best for her" And just like Lee said "Sometimes to save the people you love you have to hurt someone else" And that's what Kenny was doing. He was doing what was best for Clem in my eyes. Kenny is a good guy. But to me I always agreed with Kenny, so my characters connection with Kenny was pretty strong. That's my opinion though
I know I'm late to the party but I thought I'd throw in my two cents for whatever it's worth! I tried so hard to help Kenny get off the path of self-destruction that he was on. He was getting increasingly violent and becoming more like Carver (the relentless beating of Arvo a case in point). I think Telltale cleverly had Kenny lose an eye to show his transformation into a Governor-type character. He was becoming way too explosive and I think he was suffering from PTSD. I mean, no one could be mentally stable after what he went through. I think he was still a good guy deep down, but that part of him was getting smaller and smaller and it showed in his actions. Whatever you think of Jane, she said that losing the baby was an accident. No one in their right mind would kill someone over that. Also, when Clementine tries to talk Kenny down at the end he behaves violently towards her, which he has no right to do. Although Jane tried to provoke him, she did it to show what his core self has become. If you have to tiptoe around someone because you're afraid to provoke them, then something's not right. I think Kenny truly was a ticking time-bomb that will inevitably explode, hurting not only him, but those around him. He was too emotionally impulsive in a world where reason and sanity are needed to survive. He also fought with almost everyone - if everyone else is always the problem and in the wrong, it's probably time to realise that you're in fact the problem and at fault. Kenny's descent into madness, particulary at the end, reminded me of Jack Torrance's descent in The Shining. I also appreciate the references to Yeats's "The Second Coming" and Emily Dickinson's "Because I could not stop for Death" in the achievement titles. Thanks for a great experience either way Telltale, I've never put so much thought into a video game before lol.
Kenny ftw
Kenny didn't want to make the same mistake with AJ after Duck. He made a promise, that's why he was so aggressive at times. Also, what I've noticed is that Kenny reacted the same way to Arvo as Carver did to him. He wanted to kill Arvo because he thought he was a danger to the group and would slow them down. Then after Arvo shot Clem, Kenny didn't want to listen to anyone. That's why Jane couldn't talk any sense to him anymore. Because he believed that there would be more pain unless they reach Wellington. Now he was wrong about Jane though. He said that Jane didn't care about anybody but herself. But if she did only care about herself, Kenny, Clementine, Luke, and the rest of the group would probably be dead. Jane risked her Life for Clementine. Jane even killed someone she didn't want to kill just to save Kenny. Kenny just didn't want to make the same mistake. He thought Jane was another whole "Lilly Situation." Kenny was more aggressive because he lost more than everybody else. But he did scare Mike, Bonnie, Arvo, and even Clementine. He really only felt what was best for the baby and the whole group. He wanted to do it for His parents because he believed that it was his fault for his father's death. Throughout episode 5 things went unexpected for Kenny and he felt that it was useless every time something bad happened that he didn't like. Just like Carver wanted to keep obedience for his camp, Kenny wanted the same for AJ and the group. Jane used logic. She listened to Bonnie and ended up being right about the baby formula being at Carver's camp. Of course Kenny didn't want to go because he risked everything to get to Wellington for AJ. But however it almost seemed a waste after he finds out that they won't except any more newcomers. Jane with clementine on the other hand have all if Carver's camp with some supplies and food left along with the greenhouse. Then they could use that to bring newcomers in unlike Wellington. One thing is for certain, they both cared about Clementine. I like them both despite their difficulties.
Jane was more or less a sociopath, and the way they telegraphed the fact she was purposefully trying to get Clem to kill Kenny made it a tough but not very tough choice. I certainly wasn't going to let her pull my strings like a puppet. And I'm no Kenny stan, the guy was combustible but loyal to a fault.
Agreed. Jane didn't wait for things to turn bad, she tried to force your hand whether you wanted it to happen or not. She selfishly wanted Clem to become her new "sister" whether "Clem" wanted to or not. For a person who talked about being able to leave groups at the drop of a hat, in the end she was killed because she couldn't get over the guilt of losing her sister, so she tried to recreate it with a surrogate (Clem). Which caused her to do a batman's gambit that put the remaining people around her at risk so she could get what she wanted.
From my (or I guess my Clem's) POV, Jane was obviously making a play and she lost and I'm not gonna kill the only dude I've been with from day one because she picked a fight she couldn't win. Imagine, being a hundred pound chick purposefully working Kenny into a rage to get into a life or death battle with him, when getting his skull crushed in with a good dozen blows from a metal radio only made Hulk mad.
Guess she wasn't all that pragmatic at the end.
This is exactly right.
I love that saying
When getting his skull crushed in with a good dozen blows from a metal radio only made Hulk mad.
Lmao
That's what always gets left out. Kenny is straight up beast mode. He survived a herd with no bullets, got his skull crushed in and got up after a few hours, always ready to throw down. That's a huge positive in that dude's favor. Kenny is gonna survive. Not hesitating, even if he's wrong sometimes, is an asset in that world. And I had at best a mixed relationship with that dude as Lee and Clem, no Kenny bromance over here.
Reminds me of Homer Simpson boxing.
Both of them Are equally bad, and equally good. But Jane is just a bit better for actually being realistic. I don't need to explain myself.
Well to be fair, Neither does Kenny. He killed Larry, Let Lee kill Ben, Told you basically to "Fuck off" if you didn't MURDER PEOPLE WITH HIM, Let's you risk your life more to find Clem, Harms Clem directly and Indirectly on many occasions, Put the entire Season 2 group at risk, Went completely batshit insane, He Imprinted on AJ like he was Jacob from twilight, Never felt remorse for anyone, Blamed you for Sarita's death in a Blind rage, And made Season 2 an Unbearable, Crappily written, Shit-fest.
Jane? She offered Sex to Luke and Hid a baby in a car to Anger your precious Boat god. Could you at least ONCE see it from Someone else's view?
Not because Kenny hated him, he did that because he was fearful of him becoming a walker and he would have killed us all, Clementine included.
Uh, what? Lee killing Ben is determinant. You know why Kenny wanted Ben dead.
You're lying. Kenny was shocked on Carley/Doug's death in Episode 3. Kenny did want to rescue Ben (If saved), didn't he? Why didn't he just let the walkers kill him? He prevented his sufferring. Kenny regretted shooting Carver that caused Alvin to die/wished Alvin was alive to take care of his baby. He beat the crap out of Arvo because he got Luke killed.
If you wanna blame someone, is Telltale, because Episode 4 was shit.
Not just him. Jane got a lot of development for no reason, she wasn't even in the whole season.
I'm not a fan of boats lol. Her offer would have killed everyone and hidding a baby in a car to show how reckless a man is was stupid, heartless and pathetic.
How is a character that completely changes her character in an episode realistic, she's a character starting out strange and ended up just being a stand in for Luke in the Kenny fight, even when it made no sense
Okay, For a moment, Put yourself in Jane's shoes. She's just Met Clementine, A girl who's given Her Painful PTSD flashbacks to her own Sister that she Loved, And is gone. She begins to fall in love with this Little girl, Who is equally as fond of her. She begins to Like a Handsome boy in the Group, and She now Understands how Important the Children growing up in this are, At least the ones who had a chance. Now, She's fallen in Love with Clem, and this Boy, But feels the Baby is going to get people killed still. (Which he does) But after Losing her love, She's feeling broken, Until she realizes how Important AJ really is, And the Chance he has to Survive. And she loves Clem too, But knows How much Kenny loves the both of them, Kenny, a Mad man who Doesn't trust Jane, and wants her Dead. You know he's gonna Snap, so You have to reveal his True colors to Show Clem he's dangerous, but not try and Kill him. She hesitantly puts the Baby in a car in the cold, Trying to reveal who he Really is, But He snaps. He tries to murder you. Picture your Life flashing before your eyes, about to die after trying so hard to Protect Clem and AJ. Picture yourself in her Shoes.
Have you ever Become insane after Losing someone you love? It's torture. And I know, My Grandparents have Died, a Close friend Committed suicide last month, And Another close friend died in a Car accident years ago... You become lost many times, You hurt others, and It haunts you for a long time... And you feel nothing but Shit and bitter, And you try to help everyone in Sick twisted Ways. I know how Jane felt, and That's why I know how good she Truly is. So don't criticize her for Losing everything, and Going insane. Because you might as Fucking well Criticize anyone who has lost someone before. So do you understand now?
Exactly! I never understood this crazy devotion that people have towards Kenny. he was a nice, reliable guy before and a friend of Lee. but after everything that happened, he was completely broken! and that was a very clear situation to see, and the ENTIRE GROUP was unanimous about it.
I think Jane showed incredible courage to confront someone like that, risking her own life. literally dealing with a bomb waiting to explode at any time. while all the others desperately tried to flee away from him. (..and rightly so)
People who say she was "manipulative" simply didn't understand what she was trying to say, or simply refused to accept the fact that Kenny's toxic behavior was disrupting/destroying everyone around.
..and I will not even say anything about that sugar-coated Wellington ending. where we all know that it probably would have ended in a tragically freezing way..
Why did telltale choose Jane to be a determinant character against Kenny, why could'nt it be Luke. I wish that Jane was lily and they brought her back.
Yeah, okay. I'm sorry to hear that you lost your grandparents and your friends though.
It's interesting how the people who least understand the words "sociopath and psychopath" are the ones who are most likely to apply it. Sociopaths don't agonize over the past and they don't get shocked when they kill - Jane was pretty damn stunned when she stabbed the Russian and Kenny finished him off.
He's only "loyal to a fault" if you kiss his ass. If you tell him he's wrong his tune changes. Kenny refused to help my Lee find Clem.
You say that Jane was manipulative? Kenny was just as manipulative. It's funny how things only seem manipulative when you disagree with them. Kenny uses his history with Clem to guilt her when she disagrees with him. Neither of them were any more manipulative than the average person. They both share their opinions about the situation and the other characters and you, as a player, side with the person you agree with.
Dismissing people who disagree with you by saying they were 'manipulated' is just plain insulting.
You know, It's fine dude... I'm so sorry I tried to force my Opinion of Jane on you, or Try and change it. I feel like a douche, and there's no use fighting an Opinion anymore. It's just opinion, Am I right?
You are right, I am not saying that Jane actually had Antisocial Personality Disorder, I'm using the term colloquially. Parker from the Richard Stark novels is constantly referred to as a sociopath; so is Tom Ripley from the Highsmith novels. Neither are in a clinical sense, but the former is absolutely heartless and the latter is more or less a serial killer.
As far as I can tell, the only people Jane had any emotional reactions about were herself and Clementine, who became a stand-in for her little sister. Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate Jane or think she was a bad person, I actually liked her. I tried to stop her and Kenny from beefing the whole time. But during the last fight I was like, "What the fuck are you doing!?!" the whole time. And at the end, I couldn't bring myself to kill Kenny because she picked possibly the dumbest fight of all time.
My Lee didn't have a great relationship with Kenny-I didn't help kill Larry, I beat his ass on the train, I saved Ben, etc.-and he turned me down too at the end of the fourth episode. But then I said she was my family and he came.
And that's basically Kenny's whole motivation in one word: family. That's why I never felt that he was a danger to Clem or AJ. He's insanely protective of kids. It's not even that I thought he was super awesome, Clem was his stand-in for Duck after all, but I don't think he was particularly worse than Jane either.
In ice-cold realistic terms, "pragmatic" Jane made a completely irrational decision to provoke Kenny into a life or death fight without even a gun, a hundred pound girl against a guy twice her size she intentionally caused to Hulk out and who had just recently got beat half to death with a metal radio and it barely slowed him down. She made her play and lost. I'm not Captain Save-A-Hoe.
I agree, they're basically about equal on the helpful/crazy scale. I just couldn't kill Kenny over something she started for no good reason.
I dunno, Luke was too much of a goodie two-shoes. The guy basically had no moral downside. And Telltale was trying to make the decision as hard as possible and IMO did a pretty good job of balancing Kenny and Jane.
The only thing that bugged me is how obviously Jane was supposed to be Molly.
I underdstand the loner aspect as being similar to molly, and the realism and yada-yada.
But I don't like the comparison of Molly to Jane because Jane always felt the need to put her 2 cents in about ppl she just met, and kept trying to make herself look like the most sane one there, which did quite the opposite in my eyes. But Molly on the other end was fight or flight. She doesnt talk shit about ur group (enough for me to remember), she has a better balance of character development, from not caring and putting her wishes over the groups, to collaboration, to caring for them, then leaving in a logical manner. One thing I loved about Mollys character when I compare her to Jane is she never tried to make u make a decision. she probably coulda killed Kenny lol
I hate how telltale tried to make them similar, because Molly was really the better character of the two. Molly was a better survivor, she was smarter and way more stable mentally.
It just seemed like Telltale was like, "Hmmm, how can we bring Molly back?" And then couldn't figure out a way because they were in Virginia by that point so they gave us another female survivor with a plain name and a sad story about a little sister. That's one of the few things that made me outright groan in either season, when she had a little sister that died too.
I disagree that it was irrational - just poorly executed. He was too volatile and he needed to be confronted sooner rather than later. I wanted to kill Kenny before they even left the cabin. When Clem was walking around the truck to get in the passenger seat I wanted to shoot him through the back of the head.
You're not "Captain Save-A-Hoe", thumbs up on that whole remaining civil thing, and as far as I'm concerned Kenny needed to be put down or abandoned.