Oh my god, the amount of people glorifying S2 and saying it’s “so much better then TFS” is actually ridiculous. You all like to complain about the amount of minor choices that don’t matter in TFS when S2 was fucking littered with them and literally had more then TFS.
Distract the scavengers or sneak away
Changed one scene
Kill Dog or Leave Dog
Changed one scene
Give Water or Refuse Water
Feels like this should do something right? If you give him water the scavenger should tell you what happened to Christa... RIGHT? No, it does literally nothing.
Forgive Nick or Tell him he was out of line
Oh this choice will be important because it will affect my relationship with Nick, what I say should affect how he will treat me moving forward... RIGHT? No, this decision does fuck all, it changes one line of dialogue in Ep1 and Nick will treat you no differently in the following episodes... woopty fucking do.
Help Sarah or do your own work
Nothing changes, literally nothing. Reggie dies and Sarah will not treat you differently depending on what you do, it’s literally a dead choice.
Oh this next ones fucking gold, all these choices are from the stat screen btw, you know, the end screen that displays the most important/impactful choices.
Admit to stealing the walkie talkie or try to hide the theft
This is fucking insane. This decision doesn’t even change what you say in the moment, unlike every stat screen decision that, at the very least, changes something in the moment (like Clementine actually delivering the fucking dialogue option you chose) this one does absolutely nothing. Clementine doesn’t even say anything differently because of the situation that happens anyway. What a fucking joke, TFS has nothing as dumb as this as a “major decision” on the stat screen.
I’m gonna stop giving a lengthy description for each one or this will take forever because of how many useless choices were in S2.
Chop of Sarita’s arm or Kill the Walker
This one should be a big decision but it ends up doing basically nothing important. Kenny treats you the same regardless.
And now every singe stat choice in Amid the Ruins, I’m not even gonna list them because you know what they are and you know they don’t matter for shit.
Protect the baby or go for cover
Even if you go for the baby Luke finds some dumbass way to get shot and nothing changes.
Ask to Leave with Mike or not
Why is this even a stat screen choice lmao.
At least TFS actually can handle a determinant character situation properly without royaly fucking up (I know Violet and Louis aren’t technically determinant characters, but the way they handled them is basically the same situation as determinant characters, like Doug and Carley) S2 didn’t have anything remotely close to the “save Violet or Louis” choice, Nick, Alvin, and Sarah are the biggest joke. Nicks character in In Harms Way is hilarious, he goes from an important/interesting character in episode 2, to the biggest background character in the fucking season. You can literally see Nick soulessly sitting in the back, not even blinking, saying “i AgReE wItH lUkE!” every once in a while. In Broken Toys, Violet and Louis don’t just become soulless background characters who don’t do anything, no, they continue to be important characters with both of them having uniqueness to them and actually doing shit they would normally do if they weren’t determinant. Hell, this is a perfect segway into my next point.
S2 couldn’t develop new characters for shit. That’s why No Going Back just fucking kills all of them and focus’s on the only character that had proper development, Kenny. And the best part is, Kenny is well developed because he got his development from S1! At least TFS is actually able to properly make new characters without just relying on old ones to solve its problems.
Here’s the thing, I don’t hate Season 2 because of the nostalgia I have for it. But after going back and replaying it recently it’s a lot worse then I remembered. In Harms Way and Amid the Ruins in particular are actually fucking awful. Hate Suffer the Children and Broken Toys all you want, but if you think these are even close to those 2 piles of crap you’re actually delusional. Unless Take us Back is a flop, TFS is the best season since S1, period.
Oh my god, the amount of people glorifying S2 and saying it’s “so much better then TFS” is actually ridiculous. You all like to complain abo… moreut the amount of minor choices that don’t matter in TFS when S2 was fucking littered with them and literally had more then TFS.
Distract the scavengers or sneak away
Changed one scene
Kill Dog or Leave Dog
Changed one scene
Give Water or Refuse Water
Feels like this should do something right? If you give him water the scavenger should tell you what happened to Christa... RIGHT? No, it does literally nothing.
Forgive Nick or Tell him he was out of line
Oh this choice will be important because it will affect my relationship with Nick, what I say should affect how he will treat me moving forward... RIGHT? No, this decision does fuck all, it changes one line of dialogue in Ep1 and Nick will treat you no differently in the following episodes... woopty fucking do.
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I found the card games redundant after the first episode. When it first happened it felt genuine and organic. It was engaging and cool.
When they brought it out again in Episode 2 all I felt like I could literally read the script that TT copied and pasted from episode 1. I lost my immersion, and it felt like another lazy mechanic filler to progress the story.
Am I the only one who sees stuff like the card game or helping AJ apologize to Ruby or the deadhead pinata option or how they're handling Louis & Violet in general and really just wish that kind of love had been in the previous two seasons?
Not really speaking for myself here, but it seems a distinction with those choices is that while they don't really play out in a way one would hope, they are still choices that try to have and carry through quite a bit of weight.
Plus there's the fact that TFS has arguably a more minimalist cast than ANF with more runtime, while Season 2 ended up having anywhere between 5 & 13 characters at a time to split 90 minutes among. And yet, both sorta have the same habit of prioritizing 2 or 3 characters much of the time, not to mention all three subsequent games have a weird divergence with the story direction that throws things off.
Also, TFS had Lilith trying to drive what plot it had and it's not really fair to compare Violet/Louis to any determinant character barring maybe Carley/Doug and I guess technically Kate/Gabe in Above the Law.
Oh my god, the amount of people glorifying S2 and saying it’s “so much better then TFS” is actually ridiculous. You all like to complain abo… moreut the amount of minor choices that don’t matter in TFS when S2 was fucking littered with them and literally had more then TFS.
Distract the scavengers or sneak away
Changed one scene
Kill Dog or Leave Dog
Changed one scene
Give Water or Refuse Water
Feels like this should do something right? If you give him water the scavenger should tell you what happened to Christa... RIGHT? No, it does literally nothing.
Forgive Nick or Tell him he was out of line
Oh this choice will be important because it will affect my relationship with Nick, what I say should affect how he will treat me moving forward... RIGHT? No, this decision does fuck all, it changes one line of dialogue in Ep1 and Nick will treat you no differently in the following episodes... woopty fucking do.
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Oh my god, the amount of people glorifying S2 and saying it’s “so much better then TFS” is actually ridiculous. You all like to complain abo… moreut the amount of minor choices that don’t matter in TFS when S2 was fucking littered with them and literally had more then TFS.
Distract the scavengers or sneak away
Changed one scene
Kill Dog or Leave Dog
Changed one scene
Give Water or Refuse Water
Feels like this should do something right? If you give him water the scavenger should tell you what happened to Christa... RIGHT? No, it does literally nothing.
Forgive Nick or Tell him he was out of line
Oh this choice will be important because it will affect my relationship with Nick, what I say should affect how he will treat me moving forward... RIGHT? No, this decision does fuck all, it changes one line of dialogue in Ep1 and Nick will treat you no differently in the following episodes... woopty fucking do.
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Not really speaking for myself here, but it seems a distinction with those choices is that while they don't really play out in a way one would hope, they are still choices that try to have and carry through quite a bit of weight.
This isn’t a good thing. The way S2 makes some major choices not matter at all isn’t good. At least TFS can properly convey big choices and little choices in a way that makes the player know when a choice will matter a lot or not matter too much at all. In S2, you can never tell if a choice will have a lot of impact or not (its truly bad game design honestly) choices like cutting Sarita’s arm off or not and stealing Arvo’s Meds or not are choices that are presented as major decisions that actually end up not mattering for shit. Then you have Shoot Kenny or Look Away which is also presented as a major choice and ends up affecting the game a shit ton. In TFS, when I’m presented with a choice like pet Rosie or not, I know it’s a decision that won’t shift the plot in any major way, then when I’m presented with a choice like Save Louis or Violet I know it will be a bigger decision that will change the story. Basically what S2 did was “ayy look at these cool decisions/situations we made! Epic right? Well shit we can’t make ALL of those matter! Hell, we’ll only make 7% of them actually matter!”. Just because it feels like a choice that will have weight, doesn’t make it a good choice if it doesn’t deliver the consequences for the choice correctly.
Plus there's the fact that TFS has arguably a more minimalist cast than ANF with more runtime, while Season 2 ended up having anywhere between 5 & 13 characters at a time to split 90 minutes among. And yet, both sorta have the same habit of prioritizing 2 or 3 characters much of the time, not to mention all three subsequent games have a weird divergence with the story direction that throws things off.
And....? Yea TFS has a smaller cast which ends up actually giving characters time to develop. Just because S2 threw in a bunch of characters at once doesn’t give it a pass for shitty character development lmao.
Also, TFS had Lilith trying to drive what plot it had and it's not really fair to compare Violet/Louis to any determinant character barring maybe Carley/Doug and I guess technically Kate/Gabe in Above the Law.
What do you mean it isn’t fair? It’s completely fair to compare Violet and Louis with other determinant characters. Depending on who you saved, they each had a completely different role, the whole situation itself is almost exactly the same as a determinant character situation.
Not really speaking for myself here, but it seems a distinction with those choices is that while they don't really play out in a way one wou… moreld hope, they are still choices that try to have and carry through quite a bit of weight.
Plus there's the fact that TFS has arguably a more minimalist cast than ANF with more runtime, while Season 2 ended up having anywhere between 5 & 13 characters at a time to split 90 minutes among. And yet, both sorta have the same habit of prioritizing 2 or 3 characters much of the time, not to mention all three subsequent games have a weird divergence with the story direction that throws things off.
Also, TFS had Lilith trying to drive what plot it had and it's not really fair to compare Violet/Louis to any determinant character barring maybe Carley/Doug and I guess technically Kate/Gabe in Above the Law.
Maybe you are, but apparently everyone else thinks S2 was a fucking masterpiece compared to TFS, which is the most nostalgia tainted opinion ever lmao.
I guess the baseline of the complaint is while TFS is seemingly designed having a lot of flourish with it's characters and avoiding falling into at least one of the traps Season 2 fell into, that also means it's not really doing much that feels meaningful(in the philosophical sense?) or exciting.
Remember the irony that, for as much as people complained about ANF and sometimes Season 2 being too action and drama heavy, it was characters like Kenny, Jane, and David who got quite a bit of overt reverence.
And....? Yea TFS has a smaller cast which ends up actually giving characters time to develop. Just because S2 threw in a bunch of characters at once doesn’t give it a pass for shitty character development lmao.
Eh, TFS isn't too much better, tbh.
Like, you're right that the amount of characters shouldn't matter as long as the cast overall feels adequately developed and utilized, don't be mistaken.
But unfortunately, we're back to both the issue of TFS scaling things back(again) to give itself an easier time and the recurring fact that it's really just 3 characters getting much focus.
What do you mean it isn’t fair? It’s completely fair to compare Violet and Louis with other determinant characters. Depending on who you saved, they each had a completely different role.
Because Violet and Louis are the two bigtime characters of the Season who were non-fatally involved in a single choice with primarily similar scenes. Nick, Sarita, and Alvin are more like notable side characters who can be killed due to plot circumstances and had to carry over into the next episode or two with that in mind.
Hence why I offered Kate & Gabe at the beginning of Thicker than Water in addition to the mostly defining Carley & Doug as a slight comparison--it's not as extensive from either end, but it's closer in theme and structure.
Not really speaking for myself here, but it seems a distinction with those choices is that while they don't really play out in a way one wou… moreld hope, they are still choices that try to have and carry through quite a bit of weight.
This isn’t a good thing. The way S2 makes some major choices not matter at all isn’t good. At least TFS can properly convey big choices and little choices in a way that makes the player know when a choice will matter a lot or not matter too much at all. In S2, you can never tell if a choice will have a lot of impact or not (its truly bad game design honestly) choices like cutting Sarita’s arm off or not and stealing Arvo’s Meds or not are choices that are presented as major decisions that actually end up not mattering for shit. Then you have Shoot Kenny or Look Away which is also presented as a major choice and ends up affecting the game a shit ton. In TFS, when I’m presented with a choice like pet Rosie or n… [view original content]
I guess you could say that part of the reason Dorian was allowed to shoot him in the first place was because they knew they'd be able to patch him right up once they get back to base.
He could also be downplaying what pain he is in.
I found the card games redundant after the first episode. When it first happened it felt genuine and organic. It was engaging and cool.
When they brought it out again in Episode 2 all I felt like I could literally read the script that TT copied and pasted from episode 1. I lost my immersion, and it felt like another lazy mechanic filler to progress the story.
Mm, I can see that. It definitely felt like "Well, it was a fanfavorite in episode 1, so let's do it again!," with a little "Now it's time for Deep Six with Tennessee."
I also know that's probably also because they were working on both episodes around the same time.
Hold on, is Omar implied to be totally okay? I forget.
Thats a major fuck-up. Omar is blatantly shot in the leg yet somehow the next nigh… moret can walk around fine like it never happened?
And yeah Dorian/Sullene got shot at the end of EP2, but they were arrow wounds so you could handwave that plothole away much easier.
Season 2's choices are also pretty shitty and lead to nothing at all as well, its just in general season 2's story was more captivating than Final Season.
Oh my god, the amount of people glorifying S2 and saying it’s “so much better then TFS” is actually ridiculous. You all like to complain abo… moreut the amount of minor choices that don’t matter in TFS when S2 was fucking littered with them and literally had more then TFS.
Distract the scavengers or sneak away
Changed one scene
Kill Dog or Leave Dog
Changed one scene
Give Water or Refuse Water
Feels like this should do something right? If you give him water the scavenger should tell you what happened to Christa... RIGHT? No, it does literally nothing.
Forgive Nick or Tell him he was out of line
Oh this choice will be important because it will affect my relationship with Nick, what I say should affect how he will treat me moving forward... RIGHT? No, this decision does fuck all, it changes one line of dialogue in Ep1 and Nick will treat you no differently in the following episodes... woopty fucking do.
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Done Running, a single episode, is 10x better than the entirety of ANF.
Literally anything is better than ANF,the fucking shit i took this morning was better than ANF.
Done Running was the best episode it was as good as a S1 episode,i think they've raised the bar so high that everything else after that felt mediocre to me.
TFS is easily better than S2
Well honestly right now i would say no,i've been nothing but generous this season and kept giving them chances but in terms of choices and story this season has been shit,not talking about the character's development because it has been an issue since S2 but overall i thought the S2 cast was more interesting than TFS cast.
People are just trying very hard to shit on TFS for the sake of being contrarian and edgy.
TFS is easily better than S2 and ANF. Done Run… morening, a single episode, is 10x better than the entirety of ANF.
If the last episode goes right, TFS is second to Season 1 in being the greatest season, imo.
you look at something like season 2 now and realise it was like golddust compared to this garbage
and the AJ collectible statue toy thing? … morei think TT/skybound are just trolling fans and have been since somewhere in the middle of season 2, it's lost everything, the only passion i have left for it is to **never watch the final episode **and just remember the end of S2.
Maybe you are, but apparently everyone else thinks S2 was a fucking masterpiece compared to TFS, which is the most nostalgia tainted opinion ever lmao.
Done Running, a single episode, is 10x better than the entirety of ANF.
Literally anything is better than ANF,the fucking shit i too… morek this morning was better than ANF.
Done Running was the best episode it was as good as a S1 episode,i think they've raised the bar so high that everything else after that felt mediocre to me.
TFS is easily better than S2
Well honestly right now i would say no,i've been nothing but generous this season and kept giving them chances but in terms of choices and story this season has been shit,not talking about the character's development because it has been an issue since S2 but overall i thought the S2 cast was more interesting than TFS cast.
Season 2's choices are also pretty shitty and lead to nothing at all as well, its just in general season 2's story was more captivating than Final Season.
Oh my god, the amount of people glorifying S2 and saying it’s “so much better then TFS” is actually ridiculous. You all like to complain abo… moreut the amount of minor choices that don’t matter in TFS when S2 was fucking littered with them and literally had more then TFS.
Distract the scavengers or sneak away
Changed one scene
Kill Dog or Leave Dog
Changed one scene
Give Water or Refuse Water
Feels like this should do something right? If you give him water the scavenger should tell you what happened to Christa... RIGHT? No, it does literally nothing.
Forgive Nick or Tell him he was out of line
Oh this choice will be important because it will affect my relationship with Nick, what I say should affect how he will treat me moving forward... RIGHT? No, this decision does fuck all, it changes one line of dialogue in Ep1 and Nick will treat you no differently in the following episodes... woopty fucking do.
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Yeah that's what I was going to say. And then you've got how the characters don't help TFS in the first place because they are partly what encourage the 'barely feels like a walking dead game' statement. Someone will probably respond with 'S2 is gore porn' or 'this is what kids are supposed to be like!' (you're kidding youself if you say that I mean come on)
I guess the baseline of the complaint is while TFS is seemingly designed having a lot of flourish with it's characters and avoiding falling … moreinto at least one of the traps Season 2 fell into, that also means it's not really doing much that feels meaningful(in the philosophical sense?) or exciting.
Remember the irony that, for as much as people complained about ANF and sometimes Season 2 being too action and drama heavy, it was characters like Kenny, Jane, and David who got quite a bit of overt reverence.
And....? Yea TFS has a smaller cast which ends up actually giving characters time to develop. Just because S2 threw in a bunch of characters at once doesn’t give it a pass for shitty character development lmao.
Eh, TFS isn't too much better, tbh.
Like, you're right that the amount of characters shouldn't matter as long as the cast overall feels adequately developed and utilized, don't be mistaken.
But unfortunately, we're bac… [view original content]
And then you've got how the characters don't help TFS in the first place because they are partly what encourage the 'barely feels like a walking dead game' statement.
Someone will probably respond with 'S2 is gore porn' or 'this is what kids are supposed to be like!'
Ok first of all, if anyone thinks S2 is “gore porn” they shouldn’t be playing TWD in the first place.
Secondly, I don’t quite agree with your statement about the new cast. The only character that feels off is Willy (but he’s kinda supposed to be fucking weird, however I can understand if people think it’s over the top) other then him, all the characters act realistic for their age group and situation, I’m also currently a junior in High School so I’m around people in this age bracket all the time and I feel like they did a good job with the cast overall. It’s one of those things where when you hear “a group of survivors in TWD” you probably don’t think of a group of kids, which may be why it feels different then usual. I personally feel like people are saying this game “doesn’t feel like a WD game” mainly because of the romance options and how cringy this community can get when discussing them. I can also see the romance scenes themselves being awkward to some people, but that’s what teenagers are in situations like that and I think that’s the vibe they were going for. Ultimately they are optional so you don’t even have to participate in it, yet people still complain about it being forced (I’ve done a platonic route myself and if anyone thinks that they feel forced if you decide not to do them are actually morons, that’s simply BS). S2’s cast had some standouts, especially earlier in the season, but they fell apart later on. The adults in S2 are so fucking incompetent it’s immersion breaking, they all act like morons. The amount of characters doing complete 180’s is also ridiculous, Rebecca despises you and then likes you the next episode for no reason, Carver acting like an interesting villain with goals that make sense and then In Harms Way turns him into the most stereotypical villain in the franchise, Jane acting like a total hardcore pragmatic survivor that was willing to leave Sarah behind and then feels bad for killing some random fuck who was shooting at us the next episode (Jane’s character inconsistency literally caused a popular theory that suggested she was a sociopath, it was obviously just poor writing), and don’t even get me started with Arvo and Bonnie. Idk, I feel like All That Remains and A House Divided (for the most part) did a good job at setting up the cabin group and maybe that’s why people like them? Upon my recent replay I realized how forgettable a majority of them really are. TFS also has one of the best “new” characters in the series since S1 imo, AJ. I know he technically isn’t a new character but he literally had no development or characterization at all in S2 and ANF, TFS basically had to make him a character and they did such a good job. He’s honestly my favorite kid character in TWD, not counting Clementine in S1 of course.
Yeah that's what I was going to say. And then you've got how the characters don't help TFS in the first place because they are partly what e… morencourage the 'barely feels like a walking dead game' statement. Someone will probably respond with 'S2 is gore porn' or 'this is what kids are supposed to be like!' (you're kidding youself if you say that I mean come on)
its just in general season 2's story was more captivating than Final Season.
I mean when you think about it, S2 and TFS don’t really have a structured plot, they kinda just followed the classic WD structure: Main protagonist meets new group of people and they all try to survive and run into obstacles on the way which ends up killing some of them. Both seasons also have a central relationship being Clementine and Kenny in S2, and Clementine and AJ in TFS. Here’s the thing with S2, without Kenny the season would’ve been a fucking nightmare. I find it odd that people complain about Kenny’s inclusion in S2 when he literally single handedly saved the whole season. Like you can’t even imagine S2 without Kenny because the writers leaned on him so heavily to deliver emotional/memorable moments, without him the season completely falls apart. It’s not like his return itself is a bad thing, but they literally did nothing to evolve/develop his character, they just threw him in there and made him go through the exact same arc he did in the first season: Kenny looses someone he loves, becomes “broken” and starts being hostile towards a shitbird, and then has his redemption in the finale (literally the exact same as S1). In TFS AJ is also an important character that the season heavily relies on, but he is actually something uniqe/different and not just a rehashed character with no effort put in. To each their own I guess, but I personally think TFS has a more enjoyable story because the characters are what really make up the entirety of S2 and TFS’s plot, and I think the cast in TFS is far more memorable, well written, and creative.
Season 2's choices are also pretty shitty and lead to nothing at all as well, its just in general season 2's story was more captivating than Final Season.
Kenny coming back in S2 was both a blessing and a curse,i think S2 would've been better off without him overall,maybe,i guess we'll never truly know but he really stole the spotlight from the other characters when he came back and that really damaged the story.
In TFS AJ is also an important character that the season heavily relies on, but he is actually something unique/different and not just a rehashed character with no effort put in. Because the characters are what really make up the entirety of S2 and TFS’s plot, and I think the cast in TFS is far more memorable, well written, and creative.
Ok AJ's awesome and Clem and AJ's relationship is the best thing this game has to offer but i don't see how TFS cast is well written and more memorable than the S2 cast,the character's development this season suffers from the same problems S2 had imo.
its just in general season 2's story was more captivating than Final Season.
I mean when you think about it, S2 and TFS don’t really… more have a structured plot, they kinda just followed the classic WD structure: Main protagonist meets new group of people and they all try to survive and run into obstacles on the way which ends up killing some of them. Both seasons also have a central relationship being Clementine and Kenny in S2, and Clementine and AJ in TFS. Here’s the thing with S2, without Kenny the season would’ve been a fucking nightmare. I find it odd that people complain about Kenny’s inclusion in S2 when he literally single handedly saved the whole season. Like you can’t even imagine S2 without Kenny because the writers leaned on him so heavily to deliver emotional/memorable moments, without him the season completely falls apart. It’s not like his return itself is a bad thing, but they literally did nothing to evolve/develop his ch… [view original content]
Im not really disagreeing here. Im just saying in general season 2 had a more interesting plot (at least from 1 - 3, rest started to crumble) it was also the first sequel to Walking Dead, so we hadnt really adjusted to how the formula would soon be really repetitive with Telltale's Walking Dead, and at the time it wasnt "repetitive" as we would think of it being repetitive now as it was the first game in the series to actually start these trends in Telltales Walking Dead, so it wouldn't be "repetitive" if it was what started it.
And yes, Kenny in Season 2 did help the season a lot in all honesty. Love him or hate him, Kenny's inclusion made Season 2 actually feel like a continuation of some kind, unlike ANF and Final Season which give more of a "reboot" feel because the only character coming back is Clem, making it no longer feel like a continuation. (AJ doesnt count, he had 0 character before and was essentially just an item that no one playing the game was interested in what happened next for him) Also Season 2's cast honestly is more memorable. Final Season memorable characters are AJ, Louis, Violet. Everyone else is background noise. Season 2 had Kenny, Luke, Rebecca, Carver, Jane, and even some talk about how much they liked Nick and Sarah and were frustrated at how they were underused because they liked them that much. Contrast to Final season where no one really gives a fuck about anyone other than AJ, Louis, and Violet.
Basically, Season 2 is regarded much better because unlike Final Season, Season 2 despite its flaws at least felt like part 2 of Clem's story. Post Season 2 we basically had a reboot with ANF, and then Season 4 came and did another reboot, making it not really feel like we are experiencing what would actually be "part 3 and 4" of Clem's story.
its just in general season 2's story was more captivating than Final Season.
I mean when you think about it, S2 and TFS don’t really… more have a structured plot, they kinda just followed the classic WD structure: Main protagonist meets new group of people and they all try to survive and run into obstacles on the way which ends up killing some of them. Both seasons also have a central relationship being Clementine and Kenny in S2, and Clementine and AJ in TFS. Here’s the thing with S2, without Kenny the season would’ve been a fucking nightmare. I find it odd that people complain about Kenny’s inclusion in S2 when he literally single handedly saved the whole season. Like you can’t even imagine S2 without Kenny because the writers leaned on him so heavily to deliver emotional/memorable moments, without him the season completely falls apart. It’s not like his return itself is a bad thing, but they literally did nothing to evolve/develop his ch… [view original content]
Im not really disagreeing here. Im just saying in general season 2 had a more interesting plot (at least from 1 - 3, rest started to crumble) it was also the first sequel to Walking Dead, so we hadnt really adjusted to how the formula would soon be really repetitive with Telltale's Walking Dead, and at the time it wasnt "repetitive" as we would think of it being repetitive now as it was the first game in the series to actually start these trends in Telltales Walking Dead, so it wouldn't be "repetitive" if it was what started it. And yes, Kenny in Season 2 did help the season a lot in all honesty. Love him or hate him, Kenny's inclusion made Season 2 actually feel like a continuation of some kind, unlike ANF and Final Season which give more of a "reboot" feel because the only character coming back is Clem, making it no longer feel like a continuation. (AJ doesnt count, he had 0 character before and was essentially just an item that no one playing the game was interested in what happened next for him)
I agree, S2 being the first sequel helped it a shit ton, especially because it came out hot off of S1’s success. And yea it did feel more like a continuation but that’s because it came out at a good time. TFS had to continue from (arguably) the worst Telltale game ever made, considering the circumstances I think it did the best it could.
About the whole “repetitive” thing, while you are correct in saying it was Telltales first time doing this formula, to say it hadn’t been done before isn’t technically true. The comics and TV show did this kind of formula as well which is why I referenced it as the “classic WD structure” in my previous comment, it’s been done countless times in the franchise before and after S2.
Also Season 2's cast honestly is more memorable. Final Season memorable characters are AJ, Louis, Violet. Everyone else is background noise. Season 2 had Kenny, Luke, Rebecca, Carver, Jane, and even some talk about how much they liked Nick and Sarah and were frustrated at how they were underused because they liked them that much. Contrast to Final season where no one really gives a fuck about anyone other than AJ, Louis, and Violet.
Like I said before, to each their own. TFS also has Tenn, Marlon, and James who I think are really well done. I also personally feel like TFS does a better job at making the minor characters more notable and I feel like they stand out more compared to S2’s minor characters. I also personally think Rebecca, Carver, Jane, Nick, and Sarah were pretty forgettable for the most part and had a lot of inconsistency issues with their character or were just straight up forgotten about halfway through the season, I liked Nick a lot before In Harms Way and thought he was a pretty interesting character but his determinant status fucked him up. Out of all of those characters though I’m really not a fan of Carver and how he gets praised as a good villain by some people. The only reason people liked him was because he was voiced by Michael fucking Madsen (by far the most talented and high profile VA/Actor in the series). If you actually just read his lines from In Harms Way, he’s by far the most stereotypical villain in TWD franchise who just happened to get the best VA in the telltale series. IMO TFS’s characters have felt more consistent overall (besides Lily) and Omar is really the only one who has been forgotten while every other character has had their respected moments to shine. Keep in mind Season 2 has been out for years and TFS isn’t even over yet, so we really can’t fully judge how memorable characters will be yet. S2 kept getting new characters and throwing them out almost right away leaving only a few with enough time to actually become memorable imo.
Im not really disagreeing here. Im just saying in general season 2 had a more interesting plot (at least from 1 - 3, rest started to crumble… more) it was also the first sequel to Walking Dead, so we hadnt really adjusted to how the formula would soon be really repetitive with Telltale's Walking Dead, and at the time it wasnt "repetitive" as we would think of it being repetitive now as it was the first game in the series to actually start these trends in Telltales Walking Dead, so it wouldn't be "repetitive" if it was what started it.
And yes, Kenny in Season 2 did help the season a lot in all honesty. Love him or hate him, Kenny's inclusion made Season 2 actually feel like a continuation of some kind, unlike ANF and Final Season which give more of a "reboot" feel because the only character coming back is Clem, making it no longer feel like a continuation. (AJ doesnt count, he had 0 character before and was essentially just an item that no one p… [view original content]
The game, comic, and TV show are very different from each other and the team behind it is also much more different. If we're going to judge the game for shortcomings, it has to be based on the game series, and what the game series has done. Only time we can do a direct comparison of the two is when one messes with the other (like how we complained about Jesus in ANF because of plot armor due to him being in the comics making ANF's story worse, stuff like that)
Again Id disagree. Tenn is very forgettable at the moment, James' character is basically just "I like walkers and peace dude" and then he can be killed off. Marlon was good but not memorable, he gets killed in ep 1 for the sake of AJ's character. Also Carver is the best antagonist Telltale made out of the 4 seasons. Overall hes not that great due him being cut short and killed off in ep 3, but compared to characters like Joan and Lilly, hes way better. Im honestly pretty much against the whole "big bad guy vs our guys" plot Telltale kept trying to pushing when it clearly didnt work. Season 1 doesnt have some "big bad group vs group" as the main plot, and its considered the best season by a land slide. Telltale's Walking Dead worked best when it was about problems within your own group, not the bullshit ours vs theirs. Carver was a weak ass antagonist but he is far more memorable than Joan, and made way more sense than Lilly's role in Final Season. (only reason Lilly can be considered memorable is because she was in season 1, the writing team fucked up hard on how to make her an actual interesting antagonist)
Im not really disagreeing here. Im just saying in general season 2 had a more interesting plot (at least from 1 - 3, rest started to crumble… more) it was also the first sequel to Walking Dead, so we hadnt really adjusted to how the formula would soon be really repetitive with Telltale's Walking Dead, and at the time it wasnt "repetitive" as we would think of it being repetitive now as it was the first game in the series to actually start these trends in Telltales Walking Dead, so it wouldn't be "repetitive" if it was what started it. And yes, Kenny in Season 2 did help the season a lot in all honesty. Love him or hate him, Kenny's inclusion made Season 2 actually feel like a continuation of some kind, unlike ANF and Final Season which give more of a "reboot" feel because the only character coming back is Clem, making it no longer feel like a continuation. (AJ doesnt count, he had 0 character before and was essentially just an item that no one play… [view original content]
Im not really disagreeing here. Im just saying in general season 2 had a more interesting plot (at least from 1 - 3, rest started to crumble… more) it was also the first sequel to Walking Dead, so we hadnt really adjusted to how the formula would soon be really repetitive with Telltale's Walking Dead, and at the time it wasnt "repetitive" as we would think of it being repetitive now as it was the first game in the series to actually start these trends in Telltales Walking Dead, so it wouldn't be "repetitive" if it was what started it.
And yes, Kenny in Season 2 did help the season a lot in all honesty. Love him or hate him, Kenny's inclusion made Season 2 actually feel like a continuation of some kind, unlike ANF and Final Season which give more of a "reboot" feel because the only character coming back is Clem, making it no longer feel like a continuation. (AJ doesnt count, he had 0 character before and was essentially just an item that no one p… [view original content]
I just wrote the best essay in my life in response to this, it was so good and I was so proud of it. Poof. Darn it why didn't it save. I might write it again but I'm not bothered anymore, half an hour is a lot in today's world.
And then you've got how the characters don't help TFS in the first place because they are partly what encourage the 'barely feels like a wal… moreking dead game' statement.
Someone will probably respond with 'S2 is gore porn' or 'this is what kids are supposed to be like!'
Ok first of all, if anyone thinks S2 is “gore porn” they shouldn’t be playing TWD in the first place.
Secondly, I don’t quite agree with your statement about the new cast. The only character that feels off is Willy (but he’s kinda supposed to be fucking weird, however I can understand if people think it’s over the top) other then him, all the characters act realistic for their age group and situation, I’m also currently a junior in High School so I’m around people in this age bracket all the time and I feel like they did a good job with the cast overall. It’s one of those things where when you hear “a group of survivors in TWD” you probably don’t think of a grou… [view original content]
It's regarded better by 5 people on this forum lmao
Lots of people would regard S2 better than TFS on most aspects..if they were still here the community's pretty much dead now.
Also it's funny how Kenny ruined S2 for you because it's the complete opposite for me i thought Kenny returning wasn't that bad overall but Lilly returning in TFS really ruined this season for me.
Kenny's return is the thing that ruined Season 2 (for me at least).
Basically, Season 2 is regarded much better because unlike Final S… moreeason, Season 2 despite its flaws at least felt like part 2 of Clem's story.
It's regarded better by 5 people on this forum lmao
Both Season2!Kenny and Lilith are pretty shameless additions to their respective seasons, but while Kenny is just sort of flanderized, derailing, and milked like you wouldn't believe, Lilith is ultimately someone not giving a shit and tacking in for attempted easy views.
It's regarded better by 5 people on this forum lmao
Lots of people would regard S2 better than TFS on most aspects..if they were sti… morell here the community's pretty much dead now.
Also it's funny how Kenny ruined S2 for you because it's the complete opposite for me i thought Kenny returning wasn't that bad overall but Lilly returning in TFS really ruined this season for me.
Kenny returning in Season 2 basically made the whole Season onwards "Side with Kenny" / "Side with cabin group".
At least Lilly isn't that important and most choices don't revolve around her.
Kenny returning in Season 2 basically made the whole Season onwards "Side with Kenny" / "Side with cabin group".
At least Lilly isn't that important and most choices don't revolve around her.
S2 had ADULTS in adult situations ,TFS has kids wooping adults, S2 writing was a jumbled mess, TFS writing is just wrong and doesn't even resmeble writing, you couldn't even call it fan fiction! it would be a disservice to fans, this is worst of the lot.
Oh my god, the amount of people glorifying S2 and saying it’s “so much better then TFS” is actually ridiculous. You all like to complain abo… moreut the amount of minor choices that don’t matter in TFS when S2 was fucking littered with them and literally had more then TFS.
Distract the scavengers or sneak away
Changed one scene
Kill Dog or Leave Dog
Changed one scene
Give Water or Refuse Water
Feels like this should do something right? If you give him water the scavenger should tell you what happened to Christa... RIGHT? No, it does literally nothing.
Forgive Nick or Tell him he was out of line
Oh this choice will be important because it will affect my relationship with Nick, what I say should affect how he will treat me moving forward... RIGHT? No, this decision does fuck all, it changes one line of dialogue in Ep1 and Nick will treat you no differently in the following episodes... woopty fucking do.
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He was saying it was a solid game.
Did you just assume my gender?
No, I thought I remembered you saying you were a guy once.
I would be very shocked if you were a girl.
I’m not, I just wanted to say that?
Claro.
Oh my god, the amount of people glorifying S2 and saying it’s “so much better then TFS” is actually ridiculous. You all like to complain about the amount of minor choices that don’t matter in TFS when S2 was fucking littered with them and literally had more then TFS.
Distract the scavengers or sneak away
Changed one scene
Kill Dog or Leave Dog
Changed one scene
Give Water or Refuse Water
Feels like this should do something right? If you give him water the scavenger should tell you what happened to Christa... RIGHT? No, it does literally nothing.
Forgive Nick or Tell him he was out of line
Oh this choice will be important because it will affect my relationship with Nick, what I say should affect how he will treat me moving forward... RIGHT? No, this decision does fuck all, it changes one line of dialogue in Ep1 and Nick will treat you no differently in the following episodes... woopty fucking do.
Help Sarah or do your own work
Nothing changes, literally nothing. Reggie dies and Sarah will not treat you differently depending on what you do, it’s literally a dead choice.
Oh this next ones fucking gold, all these choices are from the stat screen btw, you know, the end screen that displays the most important/impactful choices.
Admit to stealing the walkie talkie or try to hide the theft
This is fucking insane. This decision doesn’t even change what you say in the moment, unlike every stat screen decision that, at the very least, changes something in the moment (like Clementine actually delivering the fucking dialogue option you chose) this one does absolutely nothing. Clementine doesn’t even say anything differently because of the situation that happens anyway. What a fucking joke, TFS has nothing as dumb as this as a “major decision” on the stat screen.
I’m gonna stop giving a lengthy description for each one or this will take forever because of how many useless choices were in S2.
Chop of Sarita’s arm or Kill the Walker
This one should be a big decision but it ends up doing basically nothing important. Kenny treats you the same regardless.
And now every singe stat choice in Amid the Ruins, I’m not even gonna list them because you know what they are and you know they don’t matter for shit.
Protect the baby or go for cover
Even if you go for the baby Luke finds some dumbass way to get shot and nothing changes.
Ask to Leave with Mike or not
Why is this even a stat screen choice lmao.
At least TFS actually can handle a determinant character situation properly without royaly fucking up (I know Violet and Louis aren’t technically determinant characters, but the way they handled them is basically the same situation as determinant characters, like Doug and Carley) S2 didn’t have anything remotely close to the “save Violet or Louis” choice, Nick, Alvin, and Sarah are the biggest joke. Nicks character in In Harms Way is hilarious, he goes from an important/interesting character in episode 2, to the biggest background character in the fucking season. You can literally see Nick soulessly sitting in the back, not even blinking, saying “i AgReE wItH lUkE!” every once in a while. In Broken Toys, Violet and Louis don’t just become soulless background characters who don’t do anything, no, they continue to be important characters with both of them having uniqueness to them and actually doing shit they would normally do if they weren’t determinant. Hell, this is a perfect segway into my next point.
S2 couldn’t develop new characters for shit. That’s why No Going Back just fucking kills all of them and focus’s on the only character that had proper development, Kenny. And the best part is, Kenny is well developed because he got his development from S1! At least TFS is actually able to properly make new characters without just relying on old ones to solve its problems.
Here’s the thing, I don’t hate Season 2 because of the nostalgia I have for it. But after going back and replaying it recently it’s a lot worse then I remembered. In Harms Way and Amid the Ruins in particular are actually fucking awful. Hate Suffer the Children and Broken Toys all you want, but if you think these are even close to those 2 piles of crap you’re actually delusional. Unless Take us Back is a flop, TFS is the best season since S1, period.
Hold on, is Omar implied to be totally okay? I forget.
Thats a major fuck-up. Omar is blatantly shot in the leg yet somehow the next night can walk around fine like it never happened?
And yeah Dorian/Sullene got shot at the end of EP2, but they were arrow wounds so you could handwave that plothole away much easier.
People are just trying very hard to shit on TFS for the sake of being contrarian and edgy.
TFS is easily better than S2 and ANF. Done Running, a single episode, is 10x better than the entirety of ANF.
If the last episode goes right, TFS is second to Season 1 in being the greatest season, imo.
I found the card games redundant after the first episode. When it first happened it felt genuine and organic. It was engaging and cool.
When they brought it out again in Episode 2 all I felt like I could literally read the script that TT copied and pasted from episode 1. I lost my immersion, and it felt like another lazy mechanic filler to progress the story.
Not really speaking for myself here, but it seems a distinction with those choices is that while they don't really play out in a way one would hope, they are still choices that try to have and carry through quite a bit of weight.
Plus there's the fact that TFS has arguably a more minimalist cast than ANF with more runtime, while Season 2 ended up having anywhere between 5 & 13 characters at a time to split 90 minutes among. And yet, both sorta have the same habit of prioritizing 2 or 3 characters much of the time, not to mention all three subsequent games have a weird divergence with the story direction that throws things off.
Also, TFS had Lilith trying to drive what plot it had and it's not really fair to compare Violet/Louis to any determinant character barring maybe Carley/Doug and I guess technically Kate/Gabe in Above the Law.
We are all aware that choices are illusions, so calm down.
This isn’t a good thing. The way S2 makes some major choices not matter at all isn’t good. At least TFS can properly convey big choices and little choices in a way that makes the player know when a choice will matter a lot or not matter too much at all. In S2, you can never tell if a choice will have a lot of impact or not (its truly bad game design honestly) choices like cutting Sarita’s arm off or not and stealing Arvo’s Meds or not are choices that are presented as major decisions that actually end up not mattering for shit. Then you have Shoot Kenny or Look Away which is also presented as a major choice and ends up affecting the game a shit ton. In TFS, when I’m presented with a choice like pet Rosie or not, I know it’s a decision that won’t shift the plot in any major way, then when I’m presented with a choice like Save Louis or Violet I know it will be a bigger decision that will change the story. Basically what S2 did was “ayy look at these cool decisions/situations we made! Epic right? Well shit we can’t make ALL of those matter! Hell, we’ll only make 7% of them actually matter!”. Just because it feels like a choice that will have weight, doesn’t make it a good choice if it doesn’t deliver the consequences for the choice correctly.
And....? Yea TFS has a smaller cast which ends up actually giving characters time to develop. Just because S2 threw in a bunch of characters at once doesn’t give it a pass for shitty character development lmao.
What do you mean it isn’t fair? It’s completely fair to compare Violet and Louis with other determinant characters. Depending on who you saved, they each had a completely different role, the whole situation itself is almost exactly the same as a determinant character situation.
Maybe you are, but apparently everyone else thinks S2 was a fucking masterpiece compared to TFS, which is the most nostalgia tainted opinion ever lmao.
I guess the baseline of the complaint is while TFS is seemingly designed having a lot of flourish with it's characters and avoiding falling into at least one of the traps Season 2 fell into, that also means it's not really doing much that feels meaningful(in the philosophical sense?) or exciting.
Remember the irony that, for as much as people complained about ANF and sometimes Season 2 being too action and drama heavy, it was characters like Kenny, Jane, and David who got quite a bit of overt reverence.
Eh, TFS isn't too much better, tbh.
Like, you're right that the amount of characters shouldn't matter as long as the cast overall feels adequately developed and utilized, don't be mistaken.
But unfortunately, we're back to both the issue of TFS scaling things back(again) to give itself an easier time and the recurring fact that it's really just 3 characters getting much focus.
Because Violet and Louis are the two bigtime characters of the Season who were non-fatally involved in a single choice with primarily similar scenes. Nick, Sarita, and Alvin are more like notable side characters who can be killed due to plot circumstances and had to carry over into the next episode or two with that in mind.
Hence why I offered Kate & Gabe at the beginning of Thicker than Water in addition to the mostly defining Carley & Doug as a slight comparison--it's not as extensive from either end, but it's closer in theme and structure.
I guess you could say that part of the reason Dorian was allowed to shoot him in the first place was because they knew they'd be able to patch him right up once they get back to base.
He could also be downplaying what pain he is in.
Mm, I can see that. It definitely felt like "Well, it was a fanfavorite in episode 1, so let's do it again!," with a little "Now it's time for Deep Six with Tennessee."
I also know that's probably also because they were working on both episodes around the same time.
Season 2's choices are also pretty shitty and lead to nothing at all as well, its just in general season 2's story was more captivating than Final Season.
Literally anything is better than ANF,the fucking shit i took this morning was better than ANF.
Done Running was the best episode it was as good as a S1 episode,i think they've raised the bar so high that everything else after that felt mediocre to me.
Well honestly right now i would say no,i've been nothing but generous this season and kept giving them chances but in terms of choices and story this season has been shit,not talking about the character's development because it has been an issue since S2 but overall i thought the S2 cast was more interesting than TFS cast.
Lmao season 2 has literally all the same problems as TFS, usually to an even worse extent.
Hello there, I am one of those individuals. Let the challenge commence... TEAM JANE FOR THE WIN!!!
Seriously? Could you have not thought of a more creative contrast?
Estoy de acuerdo.
Agree.
Yeah that's what I was going to say. And then you've got how the characters don't help TFS in the first place because they are partly what encourage the 'barely feels like a walking dead game' statement. Someone will probably respond with 'S2 is gore porn' or 'this is what kids are supposed to be like!' (you're kidding youself if you say that I mean come on)
Ok first of all, if anyone thinks S2 is “gore porn” they shouldn’t be playing TWD in the first place.
Secondly, I don’t quite agree with your statement about the new cast. The only character that feels off is Willy (but he’s kinda supposed to be fucking weird, however I can understand if people think it’s over the top) other then him, all the characters act realistic for their age group and situation, I’m also currently a junior in High School so I’m around people in this age bracket all the time and I feel like they did a good job with the cast overall. It’s one of those things where when you hear “a group of survivors in TWD” you probably don’t think of a group of kids, which may be why it feels different then usual. I personally feel like people are saying this game “doesn’t feel like a WD game” mainly because of the romance options and how cringy this community can get when discussing them. I can also see the romance scenes themselves being awkward to some people, but that’s what teenagers are in situations like that and I think that’s the vibe they were going for. Ultimately they are optional so you don’t even have to participate in it, yet people still complain about it being forced (I’ve done a platonic route myself and if anyone thinks that they feel forced if you decide not to do them are actually morons, that’s simply BS). S2’s cast had some standouts, especially earlier in the season, but they fell apart later on. The adults in S2 are so fucking incompetent it’s immersion breaking, they all act like morons. The amount of characters doing complete 180’s is also ridiculous, Rebecca despises you and then likes you the next episode for no reason, Carver acting like an interesting villain with goals that make sense and then In Harms Way turns him into the most stereotypical villain in the franchise, Jane acting like a total hardcore pragmatic survivor that was willing to leave Sarah behind and then feels bad for killing some random fuck who was shooting at us the next episode (Jane’s character inconsistency literally caused a popular theory that suggested she was a sociopath, it was obviously just poor writing), and don’t even get me started with Arvo and Bonnie. Idk, I feel like All That Remains and A House Divided (for the most part) did a good job at setting up the cabin group and maybe that’s why people like them? Upon my recent replay I realized how forgettable a majority of them really are. TFS also has one of the best “new” characters in the series since S1 imo, AJ. I know he technically isn’t a new character but he literally had no development or characterization at all in S2 and ANF, TFS basically had to make him a character and they did such a good job. He’s honestly my favorite kid character in TWD, not counting Clementine in S1 of course.
I mean when you think about it, S2 and TFS don’t really have a structured plot, they kinda just followed the classic WD structure: Main protagonist meets new group of people and they all try to survive and run into obstacles on the way which ends up killing some of them. Both seasons also have a central relationship being Clementine and Kenny in S2, and Clementine and AJ in TFS. Here’s the thing with S2, without Kenny the season would’ve been a fucking nightmare. I find it odd that people complain about Kenny’s inclusion in S2 when he literally single handedly saved the whole season. Like you can’t even imagine S2 without Kenny because the writers leaned on him so heavily to deliver emotional/memorable moments, without him the season completely falls apart. It’s not like his return itself is a bad thing, but they literally did nothing to evolve/develop his character, they just threw him in there and made him go through the exact same arc he did in the first season: Kenny looses someone he loves, becomes “broken” and starts being hostile towards a shitbird, and then has his redemption in the finale (literally the exact same as S1). In TFS AJ is also an important character that the season heavily relies on, but he is actually something uniqe/different and not just a rehashed character with no effort put in. To each their own I guess, but I personally think TFS has a more enjoyable story because the characters are what really make up the entirety of S2 and TFS’s plot, and I think the cast in TFS is far more memorable, well written, and creative.
Kenny coming back in S2 was both a blessing and a curse,i think S2 would've been better off without him overall,maybe,i guess we'll never truly know but he really stole the spotlight from the other characters when he came back and that really damaged the story.
Ok AJ's awesome and Clem and AJ's relationship is the best thing this game has to offer but i don't see how TFS cast is well written and more memorable than the S2 cast,the character's development this season suffers from the same problems S2 had imo.
Im not really disagreeing here. Im just saying in general season 2 had a more interesting plot (at least from 1 - 3, rest started to crumble) it was also the first sequel to Walking Dead, so we hadnt really adjusted to how the formula would soon be really repetitive with Telltale's Walking Dead, and at the time it wasnt "repetitive" as we would think of it being repetitive now as it was the first game in the series to actually start these trends in Telltales Walking Dead, so it wouldn't be "repetitive" if it was what started it.
And yes, Kenny in Season 2 did help the season a lot in all honesty. Love him or hate him, Kenny's inclusion made Season 2 actually feel like a continuation of some kind, unlike ANF and Final Season which give more of a "reboot" feel because the only character coming back is Clem, making it no longer feel like a continuation. (AJ doesnt count, he had 0 character before and was essentially just an item that no one playing the game was interested in what happened next for him) Also Season 2's cast honestly is more memorable. Final Season memorable characters are AJ, Louis, Violet. Everyone else is background noise. Season 2 had Kenny, Luke, Rebecca, Carver, Jane, and even some talk about how much they liked Nick and Sarah and were frustrated at how they were underused because they liked them that much. Contrast to Final season where no one really gives a fuck about anyone other than AJ, Louis, and Violet.
Basically, Season 2 is regarded much better because unlike Final Season, Season 2 despite its flaws at least felt like part 2 of Clem's story. Post Season 2 we basically had a reboot with ANF, and then Season 4 came and did another reboot, making it not really feel like we are experiencing what would actually be "part 3 and 4" of Clem's story.
I agree, S2 being the first sequel helped it a shit ton, especially because it came out hot off of S1’s success. And yea it did feel more like a continuation but that’s because it came out at a good time. TFS had to continue from (arguably) the worst Telltale game ever made, considering the circumstances I think it did the best it could.
About the whole “repetitive” thing, while you are correct in saying it was Telltales first time doing this formula, to say it hadn’t been done before isn’t technically true. The comics and TV show did this kind of formula as well which is why I referenced it as the “classic WD structure” in my previous comment, it’s been done countless times in the franchise before and after S2.
Like I said before, to each their own. TFS also has Tenn, Marlon, and James who I think are really well done. I also personally feel like TFS does a better job at making the minor characters more notable and I feel like they stand out more compared to S2’s minor characters. I also personally think Rebecca, Carver, Jane, Nick, and Sarah were pretty forgettable for the most part and had a lot of inconsistency issues with their character or were just straight up forgotten about halfway through the season, I liked Nick a lot before In Harms Way and thought he was a pretty interesting character but his determinant status fucked him up. Out of all of those characters though I’m really not a fan of Carver and how he gets praised as a good villain by some people. The only reason people liked him was because he was voiced by Michael fucking Madsen (by far the most talented and high profile VA/Actor in the series). If you actually just read his lines from In Harms Way, he’s by far the most stereotypical villain in TWD franchise who just happened to get the best VA in the telltale series. IMO TFS’s characters have felt more consistent overall (besides Lily) and Omar is really the only one who has been forgotten while every other character has had their respected moments to shine. Keep in mind Season 2 has been out for years and TFS isn’t even over yet, so we really can’t fully judge how memorable characters will be yet. S2 kept getting new characters and throwing them out almost right away leaving only a few with enough time to actually become memorable imo.
You know, I've been poking my head in the last few hours having stuff I'd say, but just not doing so.
The game, comic, and TV show are very different from each other and the team behind it is also much more different. If we're going to judge the game for shortcomings, it has to be based on the game series, and what the game series has done. Only time we can do a direct comparison of the two is when one messes with the other (like how we complained about Jesus in ANF because of plot armor due to him being in the comics making ANF's story worse, stuff like that)
Again Id disagree. Tenn is very forgettable at the moment, James' character is basically just "I like walkers and peace dude" and then he can be killed off. Marlon was good but not memorable, he gets killed in ep 1 for the sake of AJ's character. Also Carver is the best antagonist Telltale made out of the 4 seasons. Overall hes not that great due him being cut short and killed off in ep 3, but compared to characters like Joan and Lilly, hes way better. Im honestly pretty much against the whole "big bad guy vs our guys" plot Telltale kept trying to pushing when it clearly didnt work. Season 1 doesnt have some "big bad group vs group" as the main plot, and its considered the best season by a land slide. Telltale's Walking Dead worked best when it was about problems within your own group, not the bullshit ours vs theirs. Carver was a weak ass antagonist but he is far more memorable than Joan, and made way more sense than Lilly's role in Final Season. (only reason Lilly can be considered memorable is because she was in season 1, the writing team fucked up hard on how to make her an actual interesting antagonist)
Kenny's return is the thing that ruined Season 2 (for me at least).
It's regarded better by 5 people on this forum lmao
I just wrote the best essay in my life in response to this, it was so good and I was so proud of it. Poof. Darn it why didn't it save. I might write it again but I'm not bothered anymore, half an hour is a lot in today's world.
Lots of people would regard S2 better than TFS on most aspects..if they were still here the community's pretty much dead now.
Also it's funny how Kenny ruined S2 for you because it's the complete opposite for me i thought Kenny returning wasn't that bad overall but Lilly returning in TFS really ruined this season for me.
Both Season2!Kenny and Lilith are pretty shameless additions to their respective seasons, but while Kenny is just sort of flanderized, derailing, and milked like you wouldn't believe, Lilith is ultimately someone not giving a shit and tacking in for attempted easy views.
I cannot wait for the 25th / 26th of March! ?
Kenny returning in Season 2 basically made the whole Season onwards "Side with Kenny" / "Side with cabin group".
At least Lilly isn't that important and most choices don't revolve around her.
Do not forget siding with Queen Jane. ?
Fixed.
S2 had ADULTS in adult situations ,TFS has kids wooping adults, S2 writing was a jumbled mess, TFS writing is just wrong and doesn't even resmeble writing, you couldn't even call it fan fiction! it would be a disservice to fans, this is worst of the lot.