I do understand why people loved the Wellington ending. It was more emotional and, as you say, heartbreaking. It had all the feels people love. From my perpsective though, it just wasnt enough to justify all his bad behavior from before. It felt very manipulative and Im not one who is especially critical, but it didnt feel earned to me. But again, you know, people see things from different angles, which is fine. Thank you for the civil, well thought response.
@KCohere Its possible to take things too far,over and over,then in the last moments of your struggle realize how wrong you were. Kenny k… morenew he was out. of bounds. But could not control his rage. Should doing the right thing in the end free him of guilt? No, I think not. But if you as Clem,stay at Wellington with AJ, you can give him the small dignity of having "saved you". To me that's the cooler story. The more layered, and heartbreaking ending. Therefore making it very much like many Season finals on the TV show. This in my view, explains why so many champion Kenny. His story is far better than his charcter! Hope this helped you understand. With all that said in my first playthru both Kenny and Jane were dead. THX for listening.
This is so funny!
So Kenny's reasonable when he just starts shooting up Carver's men without thinking up a proper plan? When he yells at … moreClementine for Sarita's death? When he refuses to listen to anyone when they suggest going to a place that they KNOW has baby formula and not even considering a compromise?
And of course my feelings for Kenny are based on he treats me. My feelings for anyone are based on how they treat me and how they treat my friends. If you do not agree with Kenny on Larry , he will leave you to fend for yourself with the door. He will hesitate when you ask him for help finding Clem after she's been KIDNAPPED by a psychotic maniac. He has no control over his temper in Season Two. If you don't agree with him about Clem , he admonishes you and tries to manipulate you into doing what HE wants. And some Kenny fans don't exactly try to see the good in Jane either. So don't act like it's purely people who think Kenny's a hotheaded jerk who are unreasonable.
I do understand why people loved the Wellington ending. It was more emotional and, as you say, heartbreaking. It had all the feels people lo… moreve. From my perpsective though, it just wasnt enough to justify all his bad behavior from before. It felt very manipulative and Im not one who is especially critical, but it didnt feel earned to me. But again, you know, people see things from different angles, which is fine. Thank you for the civil, well thought response.
Round of a fuckin' applause to this individual. I still don't know how this flame war hasn't died yet. Everyone is arguing over the rushed writing of season 2, and that in its self is funny.
So why did Omid and Christa separate from her besides from the plot.
Still wasn't Clem's fault just like it wasn't Lee's fault when the group stole from the Stranger.
Not once, apart from at beginning obviously, did Kenny beg for all 3 to be taken in. He selflessly fought for the both of them to be accepted into Wellington, knowing fair well that didn't include him, what's more, he didn't have to do this, Clem would have stayed with him as default. In fact, if Kenny hadn't of begged, they probably wouldn't have been offered a place. Kenny went out of his way to fight for Clem and AJ's safety. So yes, that makes him undoubtedly selfless in this situation. It may have been lose/lose for him, but it wasn't for Clem and AJ, and he made sure they were safe.
The Wellington plan was no more suicidal than Jane's play to Howe's. The last we saw of Howe's was when Carver's armed, dangerous guards, were fighting the ever dangerous herd. In hindsight, we know Howe's was safe. But then again, in hindsight, we know Wellington existed and was safe
So when suicidal man does something for others, its extremely selfless? If he actually valued his life, i would've seen it as selfless act. … moreThe fact that they walked to north wearing almost nothing and having no food or proper destination doesnt really strike me as proper plan, so if the stories about wellington were false or they just didnt find it, the plan was suicidal and not very thoughtful for clem & aj
However Kenny has said previously, that he's seen Clem do more than what 3 adults put together could. I think he trusts Clementine to handle herself while he tends to the more pressing matter of a newborn baby. Regardless, he still cares for her
Its not like he could stop her from leaving. You talk as if she was his property.
Im pretty sure he doesnt care too much about Clem, as shown before, its more about AJ.
I said 'and/or', but I agree with what your saying. Not every Kenny action is justified, but there is a reason behind them, is what I was trying to say
Prink you're a decent person, probably my fav to talk to on here. Thanks for your post, appreciate it. Well i've said what i've said and its fine for you to say what you have. We'll agree to disagree on certain things
And who decides what 'real' grief is? Not everyone feels the same type of grief and it's not always as heavy for one person or as long term … moreas it is for another, grief is grief - I don't think it's fair to tell people what true grief is but you have my condolences. Whether killing is normal doesn't make it any less extreme. I do believe that Kenny is truly a good person inside, like I've said several times before, I just dislike the extremes he goes to when he lashes out his anger on others, his irrational behavior poses as a danger for both Clementine and the group in my perspective and as much as I'd love to believe that Kenny had truly changed after Season 2, I'll have to witness this myself and see if his attitude changes in Season 3 or at least implications of that are evident. I understand taking out his frustration, and true he did apologize but whether an apology is enough to make up for taking out your aggression on someone really de… [view original content]
I agree, with this last part; it's bettertosleep who is biased, not the author.
It's Kenny who ask for a place for AJ and Clem. Also you can choose to leave with him or not, so he doesn't believe it's his properties since you've got the choice.
I agree, with this last part; it's bettertosleep who is biased, not the author.
It's Kenny who ask for a place for AJ and Clem. Also you can choose to leave with him or not, so he doesn't believe it's his properties since you've got the choice.
The Wellington plan was no more suicidal than Jane's play to Howe's
You are seriously saying that looking for place they have no definite proof of, in winter, without proper supplies and equipment, is not suicidal?
Nothing suicidal about scouting out Howes, but the main thing was getting away from the cold.
But then again, in hindsight, we know Wellington existed and was safe
Whats the point of even mentioning this? Its irrelevant that Wellington actually existed in the game. You cant judge a plan itself after knowing the outcome.
Not once, apart from at beginning obviously, did Kenny beg for all 3 to be taken in. He selflessly fought for the both of them to be accepte… mored into Wellington, knowing fair well that didn't include him, what's more, he didn't have to do this, Clem would have stayed with him as default. In fact, if Kenny hadn't of begged, they probably wouldn't have been offered a place. Kenny went out of his way to fight for Clem and AJ's safety. So yes, that makes him undoubtedly selfless in this situation. It may have been lose/lose for him, but it wasn't for Clem and AJ, and he made sure they were safe.
The Wellington plan was no more suicidal than Jane's play to Howe's. The last we saw of Howe's was when Carver's armed, dangerous guards, were fighting the ever dangerous herd. In hindsight, we know Howe's was safe. But then again, in hindsight, we know Wellington existed and was safe
So Kenny's reasonable when he just starts shooting up Carver's men without thinking up a proper plan?
Are seriously using something that didn't happen to support your claim? Christ.
When he yells at Clementine for Sarita's death?
It might not be right, but it is understandable to be angry at someone who's responsible for the death of someone you love. And need I remind you that Kenny feels bad about it and apologizes for it later.
When he refuses to listen to anyone when they suggest going to a place that they KNOW has baby formula and not even considering a compromise?
You mean the place that when we last saw it was completely overrun with zombies that Clem and company deliberately drew to it? Yeah I don't see how it's unreasonable to not want to go back there. Jane's endings could've easily had Clem and Jane getting overwhelmed by zombie or attacked by the people who were there angry with them about what they did. It doesn't even matter because Kenny's right about Wellington anyway, so it's pointless to argue about it. Also, Christa wanted to go to Wellington too. It's a good idea when Christa wants to do it but a bad idea when Kenny wants to?
My feelings for anyone are based on how they treat me and how they treat my friends.
As apposed to who the person actually is? So what you're saying is, someone could enjoy being serial killer, rapist and child molester, but as long they're nice to you, you'll think they're a good person and like them.
He will hesitate when you ask him for help finding Clem
Determinant. And he helps rescue Clementine in episode 5 anyway so it doesn't matter.
If you don't agree with him about Clem ,
In season 2 you are Clem. What are you even talking about?
he admonishes you and tries to manipulate you into doing what HE wants.
And here we have yet another example of Kenny haters blatantly making shit up about him just to support their claim. Simply put, this literally never happens. In fact, even when Kenny doesn't agree with what the group wants to do, he still goes along with it, so this is a completely baseless claim.
This is so funny!
So Kenny's reasonable when he just starts shooting up Carver's men without thinking up a proper plan? When he yells at … moreClementine for Sarita's death? When he refuses to listen to anyone when they suggest going to a place that they KNOW has baby formula and not even considering a compromise?
And of course my feelings for Kenny are based on he treats me. My feelings for anyone are based on how they treat me and how they treat my friends. If you do not agree with Kenny on Larry , he will leave you to fend for yourself with the door. He will hesitate when you ask him for help finding Clem after she's been KIDNAPPED by a psychotic maniac. He has no control over his temper in Season Two. If you don't agree with him about Clem , he admonishes you and tries to manipulate you into doing what HE wants. And some Kenny fans don't exactly try to see the good in Jane either. So don't act like it's purely people who think Kenny's a hotheaded jerk who are unreasonable.
I don't understand how you can think that in season 2 the writers made Kenny look shit, but also think that everything kenny did in season 2 was great.
Except I didn't say that everything Kenny does is great, and it is written that way. The Kenny endings may portray him in a positive light as well as show his true nature, but everything leading up to it portrays him in a completely negative light.
Season 2 forces you into thinking that Kenny is shit and Jane is good.
Oh brother. Well clearly not since you don't think Kenny's sh… moreit and you've played season 2.
Also I don't understand how you can think that in season 2 the writers made Kenny look shit, but also think that everything kenny did in season 2 was great. Bizarre logic.
I can't be the only one that thinks he was joking (not necessarily a good one, yeah, but still) here due to suicidal feelings... right? As a chronically suicidal person, that always sounded like something I would say as a bitter joke. And as a writer, I'm pretty sure that's what the writers were trying to go for. shrugs
So Kenny's reasonable when he just starts shooting up Carver's men without thinking up a proper plan?
Are seriously using something … morethat didn't happen to support your claim? Christ.
When he yells at Clementine for Sarita's death?
It might not be right, but it is understandable to be angry at someone who's responsible for the death of someone you love. And need I remind you that Kenny feels bad about it and apologizes for it later.
When he refuses to listen to anyone when they suggest going to a place that they KNOW has baby formula and not even considering a compromise?
You mean the place that when we last saw it was completely overrun with zombies that Clem and company deliberately drew to it? Yeah I don't see how it's unreasonable to not want to go back there. Jane's endings could've easily had Clem and Jane getting overwhelmed by zombie or attacked by the people who were there angry with them about what … [view original content]
Kenny didn't say that in a suicidal tone—he was being literal about Molly not doing anything for him lately, and considered that Molly saving him was an event from the past.
I can't be the only one that thinks he was joking (not necessarily a good one, yeah, but still) here due to suicidal feelings... right? As a… more chronically suicidal person, that always sounded like something I would say as a bitter joke. And as a writer, I'm pretty sure that's what the writers were trying to go for. shrugs
I agitate you because my opinion differs to yours and probably because i speak my mind and say how i feel. Well sorry but that's just how i am Sage. Just ignore me if you hate me that much
Sage man, there's no need to be abusive calling him a son of a bitch, idiot etc. So his opinion is different to yours so what? Neither of you are right or wrong just remember that. Calm down man, you don't want to be like Kenny do you? Lol
Sage man, there's no need to be abusive calling him a son of a bitch, idiot etc. So his opinion is different to yours so what? Neither of you are right or wrong just remember that. Calm down man, you don't want to be like Kenny do you? Lol
Not saying Clementine wasn't at fault. But please explain to me how two grown ass adults leaving a 10-year-old in a bathroom by herself isn't as bad as a mistake as leaving your gun on the sink? Sure you can argue that leaving your gun on the sink can get someone killed, but leaving Clementine in the bathroom by herself without even checking it, could've also gotten Clementine killed. I believe Christa, Omid, and Clementine share the same amount of blame.
I mean, I could say 'Carver is actually really lovely and not at all sociopathic, telltale just portrayed him as evil'. That's not a valid argument. If telltale wanted to write Kenny as psychopathic in season 2, and he was psychopahic, then season 2 kenyn is psychopathic, whether that fits your perception of how the character 'should be' or not, because Kenny is, and only is, the product of writing.
I don't understand how you can think that in season 2 the writers made Kenny look shit, but also think that everything kenny did in season 2… more was great.
Except I didn't say that everything Kenny does is great, and it is written that way. The Kenny endings may portray him in a positive light as well as show his true nature, but everything leading up to it portrays him in a completely negative light.
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I do understand why people loved the Wellington ending. It was more emotional and, as you say, heartbreaking. It had all the feels people love. From my perpsective though, it just wasnt enough to justify all his bad behavior from before. It felt very manipulative and Im not one who is especially critical, but it didnt feel earned to me. But again, you know, people see things from different angles, which is fine. Thank you for the civil, well thought response.
Gavin is love, Gavin is life.
They always try to conveniently hide facts like that. It is really funny.
@Knohere. why are you so badass?
Swear :O
Stop it, youre making me blush lol
Thats why you need to be prepared for anything. She was being a retard and that costed someones life.
So why did Omid and Christa separate from her besides from the plot.
Still wasn't Clem's fault just like it wasn't Lee's fault when the group stole from the Stranger.
Ok cool. Wasn't sure so thanks
Of course. It would hurt his hand otherwise
Lol i could say the same when you and others comment your appreciation on posts that you like too. How surprising
Not once, apart from at beginning obviously, did Kenny beg for all 3 to be taken in. He selflessly fought for the both of them to be accepted into Wellington, knowing fair well that didn't include him, what's more, he didn't have to do this, Clem would have stayed with him as default. In fact, if Kenny hadn't of begged, they probably wouldn't have been offered a place. Kenny went out of his way to fight for Clem and AJ's safety. So yes, that makes him undoubtedly selfless in this situation. It may have been lose/lose for him, but it wasn't for Clem and AJ, and he made sure they were safe.
The Wellington plan was no more suicidal than Jane's play to Howe's. The last we saw of Howe's was when Carver's armed, dangerous guards, were fighting the ever dangerous herd. In hindsight, we know Howe's was safe. But then again, in hindsight, we know Wellington existed and was safe
He does care for AJ, he's what, maybe a week old?
However Kenny has said previously, that he's seen Clem do more than what 3 adults put together could. I think he trusts Clementine to handle herself while he tends to the more pressing matter of a newborn baby. Regardless, he still cares for her
I said 'and/or', but I agree with what your saying. Not every Kenny action is justified, but there is a reason behind them, is what I was trying to say
Leaving a 10-year-old in a zombie apocalypse so that you can have sex with your partner in a pitstop bathroom isn't exactly smart, either.
Prink you're a decent person, probably my fav to talk to on here. Thanks for your post, appreciate it. Well i've said what i've said and its fine for you to say what you have. We'll agree to disagree on certain things
I agree, with this last part; it's bettertosleep who is biased, not the author.
It's Kenny who ask for a place for AJ and Clem. Also you can choose to leave with him or not, so he doesn't believe it's his properties since you've got the choice.
Then why aren't all articles written in a way that they glorify the character?
How surprising , you once again demonstrating your superiority complex.
Ah well don't let it get to you o'l chap
That's great! I'd be happy to read an impartial webpage about him.
I didn't say the others quotes were truthful..
But shitting on the character is as just as glorifying, hence not objective.
The fact that the author decided to skip over the part in which Kenny murders Jane really makes me think that they are biased.
By the way, Kenny "showing a severe sense of selflessness" is entirely subjective if you ask me.
Leaving your gun behind on zombie apocalypse isnt that wise either.
You are seriously saying that looking for place they have no definite proof of, in winter, without proper supplies and equipment, is not suicidal?
Nothing suicidal about scouting out Howes, but the main thing was getting away from the cold.
Whats the point of even mentioning this? Its irrelevant that Wellington actually existed in the game. You cant judge a plan itself after knowing the outcome.
I live to make Wikia a better place.
Everyone made stupid decisions in that episode , hence Omid's death is everyone's fault.
I can't help it , your presence agitates me.
Are seriously using something that didn't happen to support your claim? Christ.
It might not be right, but it is understandable to be angry at someone who's responsible for the death of someone you love. And need I remind you that Kenny feels bad about it and apologizes for it later.
You mean the place that when we last saw it was completely overrun with zombies that Clem and company deliberately drew to it? Yeah I don't see how it's unreasonable to not want to go back there. Jane's endings could've easily had Clem and Jane getting overwhelmed by zombie or attacked by the people who were there angry with them about what they did. It doesn't even matter because Kenny's right about Wellington anyway, so it's pointless to argue about it. Also, Christa wanted to go to Wellington too. It's a good idea when Christa wants to do it but a bad idea when Kenny wants to?
As apposed to who the person actually is? So what you're saying is, someone could enjoy being serial killer, rapist and child molester, but as long they're nice to you, you'll think they're a good person and like them.
Determinant. And he helps rescue Clementine in episode 5 anyway so it doesn't matter.
In season 2 you are Clem. What are you even talking about?
And here we have yet another example of Kenny haters blatantly making shit up about him just to support their claim. Simply put, this literally never happens. In fact, even when Kenny doesn't agree with what the group wants to do, he still goes along with it, so this is a completely baseless claim.
Acting like Kenny haters don't have a superiority complex? How surprising.
Except I didn't say that everything Kenny does is great, and it is written that way. The Kenny endings may portray him in a positive light as well as show his true nature, but everything leading up to it portrays him in a completely negative light.
I can't be the only one that thinks he was joking (not necessarily a good one, yeah, but still) here due to suicidal feelings... right? As a chronically suicidal person, that always sounded like something I would say as a bitter joke. And as a writer, I'm pretty sure that's what the writers were trying to go for. shrugs
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But Clem is to blame the most, because she made the biggest mistake.
Kenny didn't say that in a suicidal tone—he was being literal about Molly not doing anything for him lately, and considered that Molly saving him was an event from the past.
I agitate you because my opinion differs to yours and probably because i speak my mind and say how i feel. Well sorry but that's just how i am Sage. Just ignore me if you hate me that much
Sage man, there's no need to be abusive calling him a son of a bitch, idiot etc. So his opinion is different to yours so what? Neither of you are right or wrong just remember that. Calm down man, you don't want to be like Kenny do you? Lol
I have no need to be like Kenny , since he already has a bunch of people who worship the ground he walks on.
Not saying Clementine wasn't at fault. But please explain to me how two grown ass adults leaving a 10-year-old in a bathroom by herself isn't as bad as a mistake as leaving your gun on the sink? Sure you can argue that leaving your gun on the sink can get someone killed, but leaving Clementine in the bathroom by herself without even checking it, could've also gotten Clementine killed. I believe Christa, Omid, and Clementine share the same amount of blame.
But the character IS the writing.
I mean, I could say 'Carver is actually really lovely and not at all sociopathic, telltale just portrayed him as evil'. That's not a valid argument. If telltale wanted to write Kenny as psychopathic in season 2, and he was psychopahic, then season 2 kenyn is psychopathic, whether that fits your perception of how the character 'should be' or not, because Kenny is, and only is, the product of writing.