The real question is why were we able to shoot Kenny after their fight but not Jane? If anything she would've deserved it much more than he did just for manipulating you.
But let's be honest, Lee was the only person (besides Christa and Omid) that cared about keeping her safe (well my Lee) and anyone else was just trying to relive having a child again. Clem was way better by herself and would survive much longer.
You help grieving people. You don't provoke them.
When friend's family members have died i know i haven't gone out to try to prove some arcane point to them.
Yeah maybe that was Jane's first idea, but then she figured if Kenny is dead, then she can do whatever she wants with Clem because there won't be someone else, making no other option.
Actually Jane was going to ask Clem to leave:
Jane: Clem. We could leave. Right now.
Clem: Are you Serious? What about AJ?
Jane… more: Look, i know you're close to him, but... Kenny would never let him go.
Then they're interrupted by 2 gunshots and walkers.
I have no idea what made jane chose that executing the plan was a better idea than talking to Clem. This also shows that jane had about 5 minutes to think about the whole plan which may explain why it was so shitty and was executed so badly.
You mean provoking a man that through two entire series has shown himself to be a jackass who was so pleasant to be around his wife chose to take her own life. A man who was so foolish as to aggravate a situation and get people killed at the ski lodge. A man who thought it was a good idea to beat the crap out of Arvo and then act indignant when Arvo strikes back.
Sorry but that just proves tenfold how fucking stupid jane was there, Kenny is unstable and she provokes him to attack.
You mean provoking a man that through two entire series has shown himself to be a jackass who was so pleasant to be around his wife chose to… more take her own life. A man who was so foolish as to aggravate a situation and get people killed at the ski lodge. A man who thought it was a good idea to beat the crap out of Arvo and then act indignant when Arvo strikes back. Oh and Arvo Potter looked what 98 pounds soaking wet...sure let's keep abusing him. The shit he put Lee through...do as I say or you are a traitor...like kill Larry. No Kenny was a jerk...hell I am sure as a walker he is a jerk to other walkers.
The real question is why were we able to shoot Kenny after their fight but not Jane? If anything she would've deserved it much more than he … moredid just for manipulating you.
But let's be honest, Lee was the only person (besides Christa and Omid) that cared about keeping her safe (well my Lee) and anyone else was just trying to relive having a child again. Clem was way better by herself and would survive much longer.
I dont think you should have had the option to shoot either rather than shoot both, But I feel you can shoot Kenny as clementine finally sees he is a dangerous threat capable of killing another, rather than for what he did. With Jane its after the situation has deescalated and clems holding a baby.
The real question is why were we able to shoot Kenny after their fight but not Jane? If anything she would've deserved it much more than he … moredid just for manipulating you.
But let's be honest, Lee was the only person (besides Christa and Omid) that cared about keeping her safe (well my Lee) and anyone else was just trying to relive having a child again. Clem was way better by herself and would survive much longer.
I dont think you should have had the option to shoot either rather than shoot both, But I feel you can shoot Kenny as clementine finally see… mores he is a dangerous threat capable of killing another, rather than for what he did. With Jane its after the situation has deescalated and clems holding a baby.
If I may ask, what makes you think that Jane's that obsessed with controlling Clem?
I don't think she wanted Kenny dead at all, if you keep her alive she will say that she didn't know Kenny would go as far as a murder attempt.
I personally think she decided to change her mind because she (as every other character of S2) pictures Clem as Kenny's bff that would never leave him behing under any circumstanses. Clem's reaction to her proposal may have also contributed.
Yeah maybe that was Jane's first idea, but then she figured if Kenny is dead, then she can do whatever she wants with Clem because there won't be someone else, making no other option.
You help grieving people. You don't provoke them.
Did you try helping grieving Lilly and grieving Arvo? Or did you go out of your way to make them snap?
She recommends that they leave Kenny, but then hides AJ.
Why even bother going through a plot like that if you weren't expecting him to try to kill you after words. I mean if she really didn't expect Kenny was going to go over the deep end, she could have told the truth and said where AJ was, but she doesn't, she decides itll be better to just kill Kenny.
If I may ask, what makes you think that Jane's that obsessed with controlling Clem?
I don't think she wanted Kenny dead at all, if you ke… moreep her alive she will say that she didn't know Kenny would go as far as a murder attempt.
I personally think she decided to change her mind because she (as every other character of S2) pictures Clem as Kenny's bff that would never leave him behing under any circumstanses. Clem's reaction to her proposal may have also contributed.
Yes, as in "I tried to help them," or yes, as in "I went out of my way to make them snap?" I'll assume the first one. Well, that's sympathetic on your part. With all due respect, you don't commonly see people with a Kenny profile picture that actually gave a crap for Lilly and Arvo.
I DO think that Kenny went insane throughout the season. Yes, he's crazy as fuck. I know.
But leaving someone under the impression that they had murdered an infant would make any rational person flip, I'm sorry. Jane went about the wrong way of doing it. Regardless of which side you're on, you have to admit her delivery was poor.
I agree Jane should've expected that Kenny was going to try to kill her after she claims it was an accident...
The fact that she doesn't say anything is actually a valid point, but what do you think would've happened if she told that she was lying? Do you think Kenny would just be "Oh, ok. It's alright then. c:". He probably would get even more angry.
I think that Jane thought that Kenny was not going to go that far and when the fight was already occurring she probably knew that even if she admitted that AJ was alive, Kenny would keep up his attack.
She recommends that they leave Kenny, but then hides AJ.
Why even bother going through a plot like that if you weren't expecting him to t… morery to kill you after words. I mean if she really didn't expect Kenny was going to go over the deep end, she could have told the truth and said where AJ was, but she doesn't, she decides itll be better to just kill Kenny.
Lets see. She left an infant in an abandoned car in the middle of a snowstorm during the zombie apocalypse just to prove a point. Understandably, Kenny(under the impression that she let an infant die) wasn't very fond of that. She could have said that he was fine and they could all go on their merry way or split up but everyone would live. Instead, she instigates a futile fight and it ends up costing her life(determinant). Her choice was petty and not worth the risk. Also It turned out that Kenny was right about Wellington which was a nice figurative "fuck you" to Jane and made my choice to let her die even sweeter.
That is taking everything out of context dramatically. Jane pushed Kenny over the edge to show Clementine how bad the situation could go if they stuck with him, which would become even worse if Clem was left alone. She was being selfless and smart—the problem is that she was against the wall. It was risky to stay, and even riskier to leave. I truly believe that she did the best of a bad situation.
You mean provoking a man that through two entire series has shown himself to be a jackass who was so pleasant to be around his wife chose to… more take her own life. A man who was so foolish as to aggravate a situation and get people killed at the ski lodge. A man who thought it was a good idea to beat the crap out of Arvo and then act indignant when Arvo strikes back.
Sorry but that just proves tenfold how fucking stupid jane was there, Kenny is unstable and she provokes him to attack.
Wow, you changed your mind quickly! You know, I was saying that the content of the sketch was false and out of context. Of course it is made for fun, but that doesn't invalidate what I said.
No she wasn't. Not entirely. Neither was Kenny. Neither was anyone really. That's the point. Why is it always all or nothing in these discussions? TWD characters, just like real people, are flawed and do stupid things, sometimes for the right reasons, and sometimes not. Jane was right about Kenny, but she handled it terribly. Kenny is a good man deep down who's suffered horribly, but that doesn't make his behavior any less dangerous to those around him. Bonnie's actions were deplorable from our perspective, but to her she was just looking out for herself in a group of people that she barely knew. The entire cast of TWD is made up of mostly decent people thrown into terrible situations, of which there is often no real world equivalent to compare, and surprise, sometimes they do horrible things.
You mean provoking a man that through two entire series has shown himself to be a jackass who was so pleasant to be around his wife chose to take her own life
Oh she took her life because she felt Kenny wasn't a pleasant man did she? Were you actually playing the same game? Lol.
A man who was so foolish as to aggravate a situation and get people killed at the ski lodge
Yet he was the only one trying to help the group out of that mess. It didn't help things no, but his intentions were good. Nice negative post though.
A man who thought it was a good idea to beat the crap out of Arvo and then act indignant when Arvo strikes back. Oh and Arvo Potter looked what 98 pounds soaking wet...sure let's keep abusing him
And yet you don't consider the reasoning behind it, you don't consider that he may have received brain damage or if not that then suffering from grief seeing Sarita die and as uneeded as it was beating Arvo, this was his way of dealing with it as wrong as it was. Also you seem to defend a guy who not long before actually ambushed the group with his Russian friends and threatened to steal from them but of course you think that was all fine and dandy but sure, fine, your favourite character Kenny is the villain here right? Lol.
The shit he put Lee through
And yet you saying this is entirely based on how you played season 1 whether you were friends with him or not so saying this is invalid.
Your post which is typical is completely negative towards the character and never ever look at the other side of things, always one sided. At least i will admit that certain things he did was wrong but i have the good grace not to be full on negative. But hey you know what, it's fine, you carry on bottling all that hate inside. I guess the place would be less interesting otherwise
You mean provoking a man that through two entire series has shown himself to be a jackass who was so pleasant to be around his wife chose to… more take her own life. A man who was so foolish as to aggravate a situation and get people killed at the ski lodge. A man who thought it was a good idea to beat the crap out of Arvo and then act indignant when Arvo strikes back. Oh and Arvo Potter looked what 98 pounds soaking wet...sure let's keep abusing him. The shit he put Lee through...do as I say or you are a traitor...like kill Larry. No Kenny was a jerk...hell I am sure as a walker he is a jerk to other walkers.
Lets see. She left an infant in an abandoned car in the middle of a snowstorm during the zombie apocalypse just to prove a point.
People sure do like the line "just to prove a point." She was showing to Clem what would happen if AJ was ever under Clem's care and Kenny would find out that something happened. She selflessly decided to take the risk of Kenny trying to kill her so that a relatively small girl wouldn't have to, later in life.
Understandably, Kenny(under the impression that she let an infant die) wasn't very fond of that.
Wasn't very fond of that, and attempted to kill her twice before she even fought back. She was saying that it was an accident, but he was so blinded—no pun intended—by rage that he didn't listen.
She could have said that he was fine and they could all go on their merry way or split up but everyone would live.
Staying with Kenny, Clem and AJ meant that that would've happened eventually nonetheless. Leave Kenny, Clem and AJ by themselves and it's the same, only that this time, the girl won't be able to defense herself, and you will be seen as an untrustworthy bitch. Take Clem and AJ with you, and Kenny will pursue you across the United States, if he hasn't succumbed to suicide yet. I genuinely want to see how things will turn out in the Kenny ending, where they happily want into the horizon as in a cheesy movie. Can't have a game like these without inner conflict.
Instead, she instigates a futile fight and it ends up costing her life (determinant). Her choice was petty and not worth the risk.
As I said above, it could've resulted in saving the life of Clementine, a girl she barely knew, but that who was the protagonist for us. I believe it was worth the risk.
It turned out that Kenny was right about Wellington which was a nice figurative "fuck you" to Jane and made my choice to let her die even sweeter.
It was a nice figurative "fuck you" to the game's realism, and to Kenny's decision-making. If he knew exactly where Wellington was, why didn't he say anything to the rest of the group instead of making vague comments such as "[it's] gotta be out there?" I seriously believe that had he told them, most of them would've agreed to go.
Lets see. She left an infant in an abandoned car in the middle of a snowstorm during the zombie apocalypse just to prove a point. Understand… moreably, Kenny(under the impression that she let an infant die) wasn't very fond of that. She could have said that he was fine and they could all go on their merry way or split up but everyone would live. Instead, she instigates a futile fight and it ends up costing her life(determinant). Her choice was petty and not worth the risk. Also It turned out that Kenny was right about Wellington which was a nice figurative "fuck you" to Jane and made my choice to let her die even sweeter.
People sure do like the line "just to prove a point." She was showing to Clem what would happen if AJ was ever under Clem's care and Kenny would find out that something happened. She selflessly decided to take the risk of Kenny trying to kill her so that a relatively small girl wouldn't have to, later in life.
Lol but she didn't have to at all! Sure, we all get why she did it and her reasoning behind it was to show Clem this but there was no need to. Why make a man who is teetering over the edge, go over that edge? If Clem tells him "he's dangerous", he'll say "you're right Clem but i'm trying". I personaly see it as a case of taming the beast, trying to help a friend the best you can even if he is beyond helping. I wouldn't do such a horrible thing to someone just because i like one person (Clem) better than the man who is potentially dangerous (Kenny) if rubbed the wrong way. Clem has a mature mind, i'm pretty sure shes seen what he's capable of (Larry for instance?) or what he did to Arvo? I felt she didn't need Jane to show that to her and the "way" she did it and i'm sure there were plenty of other ways to make her point than that.
Wasn't very fond of that, and attempted to kill her twice before she even fought back
You'll disagree but i actually felt like to begin with he was only trying to hit her (which is bad obviously) but I think it got to the killing stage after that scene in my opinion, probably the moment she slashed him with the knife.
She was saying that it was an accident, but he was so blinded—no pun intended—by rage that he didn't listen.
If someone you didn't like or trust said that, i don't think i would have believed them either and i would most likely assume she had killed the baby, knowing that previously she made claims that the baby would be trouble and asked or what seemed like implying to Rebecca that she (Rebecca) should get rid of him when born, thus a reason why i would feel she did something to the baby. Kenny seemed to know this. But again like i said before, this whole scene wouldn't have happened if she hadn't done what she did.
Staying with Kenny, Clem and AJ meant that that would've happened eventually nonetheless
Sorry, what would have happened eventually?
Leave Kenny, Clem and AJ by themselves and it's the same, only that this time, the girl won't be able to defense herself,
Again im disagreeing as i've said many times that i will never believe he would ever hurt her, even if something had happened to AJ, i just cannot see it because of how he feels about Clem compared to anyone else in the game. He could have hurt her when Sarita died but he didn't, he could have hurt her during other moments of anger but the worst he got was angry. A lot could have happened in the 9 days (which was stupid) they took to get to Wellington, nothing seemed to have happened. Maybe because there was no one around to deliberately anger Kenny? Perhaps they are better together with AJ, just my opinion of course
As I said above, it could've resulted in saving the life of Clementine, a girl she barely knew, but that who was the protagonist for us. I believe it was worth the risk.
Nah, i think i'd take my chances and you know, not deliberately anger my friend but that's just me. It's fine if you think it was worth the risk. I felt it was uneeded.
It was a nice figurative "fuck you" to the game's realism, and to Kenny's decision-making. If he knew exactly where Wellington was, why didn't he say anything to the rest of the group instead of making vague comments such as "[it's] gotta be out there?" I seriously believe that had he told them, most of them would've agreed to go.
Agreed. The game's realism lost it's way after the walking across the ice scene, then spending 9 days getting to Howe's or finding Wellington with a baby that they only had a day's food left for the kid according to Kenny and they seemed to magically find some food for the baby during those 9 days. Unrealistic is the right word and I hated it.
Lets see. She left an infant in an abandoned car in the middle of a snowstorm during the zombie apocalypse just to prove a point.
Pe… moreople sure do like the line "just to prove a point." She was showing to Clem what would happen if AJ was ever under Clem's care and Kenny would find out that something happened. She selflessly decided to take the risk of Kenny trying to kill her so that a relatively small girl wouldn't have to, later in life.
Understandably, Kenny(under the impression that she let an infant die) wasn't very fond of that.
Wasn't very fond of that, and attempted to kill her twice before she even fought back. She was saying that it was an accident, but he was so blinded—no pun intended—by rage that he didn't listen.
She could have said that he was fine and they could all go on their merry way or split up but everyone would live.
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Well I disagree Jane may have convinced herself she was being selfless but she put them all at risk with that stunt. Kenny was an issue but Jane just made things worse. Manipulating a child and a mentally unstable guy while leaving an infant alone was just horrific. i shot Kenny and dont regret it but Jane was horrible in that scene.
Clementine made her choice, (regardless of what the player wants) she wants to stay with Kenny, she doesnt want to leave him. Jane makes the choice for her by forcing her too choose between them. Just as controlling and psychotic as Kenny.
I get why she did it but wrong time and horrible way to do it
That is taking everything out of context dramatically. Jane pushed Kenny over the edge to show Clementine how bad the situation could go if … morethey stuck with him, which would become even worse if Clem was left alone. She was being selfless and smart—the problem is that she was against the wall. It was risky to stay, and even riskier to leave. I truly believe that she did the best of a bad situation.
Due to Kenny being shown to be unstable I think is the reason he's seen as a danger to the group, Jane didn't really do that much to provoke him directly and Kenny still snapped. In the end, both of them made the situation what it was.
You mean provoking a man that through two entire series has shown himself to be a jackass who was so pleasant to be around his wife chose to… more take her own life. A man who was so foolish as to aggravate a situation and get people killed at the ski lodge. A man who thought it was a good idea to beat the crap out of Arvo and then act indignant when Arvo strikes back.
Sorry but that just proves tenfold how fucking stupid jane was there, Kenny is unstable and she provokes him to attack.
Although we play as Clementine, she is still her own character and the choices we get to make through her are the ones she presents to us(the choices are within the character's limits basically), perhaps Clementine didn't want to shoot Jane because leaving her to be alone could be a worse punishment than dying for Jane? Or perhaps she didn't want to shoot the person who saved her several times in previous few days? Or maybe the Developers just forgot to add that option?
The real question is why were we able to shoot Kenny after their fight but not Jane? If anything she would've deserved it much more than he … moredid just for manipulating you.
But let's be honest, Lee was the only person (besides Christa and Omid) that cared about keeping her safe (well my Lee) and anyone else was just trying to relive having a child again. Clem was way better by herself and would survive much longer.
I think it was to parallel the Lee getting shot scene. Though the circumstances were much different it still would've been a hard decision for Kenny lovers.
Although we play as Clementine, she is still her own character and the choices we get to make through her are the ones she presents to us(th… moree choices are within the character's limits basically), perhaps Clementine didn't want to shoot Jane because leaving her to be alone could be a worse punishment than dying for Jane? Or perhaps she didn't want to shoot the person who saved her several times in previous few days? Or maybe the Developers just forgot to add that option?
You mean provoking a man that through two entire series has shown himself to be a jackass who was so pleasant to be around his wife chose to… more take her own life. A man who was so foolish as to aggravate a situation and get people killed at the ski lodge. A man who thought it was a good idea to beat the crap out of Arvo and then act indignant when Arvo strikes back. Oh and Arvo Potter looked what 98 pounds soaking wet...sure let's keep abusing him. The shit he put Lee through...do as I say or you are a traitor...like kill Larry. No Kenny was a jerk...hell I am sure as a walker he is a jerk to other walkers.
But leaving someone under the impression that they had murdered an infant would make any rational person flip
Well, but Kenny didn't know that did he? All Kenny knew was that Jane accidentaly got AJ killed and he tried to murder her for that. If you think that's rational then you think Nick (that "accidentaly" killed Matthew) should've been attacked and killed on the spot?
you have to admit her delivery was poor.
I agree. Jane could've done that in so many different ways yet she chose the most dangerous and stupid of them all. But regardless of which side you're on you also have to admit that she was right, Kenny was way too unstable and dangerous.
I DO think that Kenny went insane throughout the season. Yes, he's crazy as fuck. I know.
But leaving someone under the impression that t… morehey had murdered an infant would make any rational person flip, I'm sorry. Jane went about the wrong way of doing it. Regardless of which side you're on, you have to admit her delivery was poor.
People sure do like the line "just to prove a point." She was showing to Clem what would happen if AJ was ever under Clem's care and Kenny w… moreould find out that something happened. She selflessly decided to take the risk of Kenny trying to kill her so that a relatively small girl wouldn't have to, later in life.
Lol but she didn't have to at all! Sure, we all get why she did it and her reasoning behind it was to show Clem this but there was no need to. Why make a man who is teetering over the edge, go over that edge? If Clem tells him "he's dangerous", he'll say "you're right Clem but i'm trying". I personaly see it as a case of taming the beast, trying to help a friend the best you can even if he is beyond helping. I wouldn't do such a horrible thing to someone just because i like one person (Clem) better than the man who is potentially dangerous (Kenny) if rubbed the wrong way. Clem has a mature mind, i'm pretty sure shes seen what he… [view original content]
It was a nice figurative "fuck you" to the game's realism, and to Kenny's decision-making. If he knew exactly where Wellington was, why didn't he say anything to the rest of the group instead of making vague comments such as "[it's] gotta be out there?" I seriously believe that had he told them, most of them would've agreed to go.
I'm pretty sure InfiniteDawn uploaded a picture once showing that Kenny said himself that he wasn't sure where Wellington was, and was just grasping at straws, and this was at the time when Kenny fixed the truck and went inside to vent.
If he really did know where to go and didn't bother to mention this to his group in the first place, then this makes him look even worse than he already did at the time.
Lets see. She left an infant in an abandoned car in the middle of a snowstorm during the zombie apocalypse just to prove a point.
Pe… moreople sure do like the line "just to prove a point." She was showing to Clem what would happen if AJ was ever under Clem's care and Kenny would find out that something happened. She selflessly decided to take the risk of Kenny trying to kill her so that a relatively small girl wouldn't have to, later in life.
Understandably, Kenny(under the impression that she let an infant die) wasn't very fond of that.
Wasn't very fond of that, and attempted to kill her twice before she even fought back. She was saying that it was an accident, but he was so blinded—no pun intended—by rage that he didn't listen.
She could have said that he was fine and they could all go on their merry way or split up but everyone would live.
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I actually think it wasn't for the reasons you think she hates him for but because of the fact she felt he was the reason that Clementine wouldn't leave him and go with her which is most likely one of the reasons why she did what she did with the baby. I think in some strange way it could have even been jealousy. Feel free to disagree, it's partially what i think though
Kenny is an old stubborn piece of shit, but deep inside of him there is a good man
Well i'm glad you see both sides to his character and not just the negative unlike a lot people on here.
I'm just not waiting another season of his bullshit to find it
This may surprise you but i do agree. I hope we have closure on Kenny's character or if they somehow involve his character in Season 3, i hope he won't be the sole focus taking away screen time for other characters
I do help grieving people, but only those I care about. Jane absolutely hated Kenny and for good reason. She has no reason to help him and e… moreven if she tried he wouldn't accept it. Kenny is an old stubborn piece of shit, but deep inside of him there is a good man. I'm just not waiting another season of his bullshit to find it.
Did you try helping grieving Lilly and grieving Arvo? Or did you go out of your way to make them snap?
Not every Kenny fan is like Kenny you know. I didn't like Lilly but i tried to mend things best I could after the meat locker with her. As for Arvo, sorry but no, just no. Part of me felt sorry he lost his sister but then part of me just couldn't really care for his loss as I didn't know his character that long and because i didn't like or trust him after him and the Russians did what they did.
Yes, as in "I tried to help them," or yes, as in "I went out of my way to make them snap?" I'll assume the first one. Well, that's sympathet… moreic on your part. With all due respect, you don't commonly see people with a Kenny profile picture that actually gave a crap for Lilly and Arvo.
Did you try helping grieving Lilly and grieving Arvo? Or did you go out of your way to make them snap?
Not every Kenny fan is like K… moreenny you know. I didn't like Lilly but i tried to mend things best I could after the meat locker with her. As for Arvo, sorry but no, just no. Part of me felt sorry he lost his sister but then part of me just couldn't really care for his loss as I didn't know his character that long and because i didn't like or trust him after him and the Russians did what they did.
It's just that when you have a profile pic of Kenny, you're most likely a big fan of him. If you're a big fan of him, it is probable that you disliked Lilly and Arvo. If you disliked them, chances are you didn't care for them when they were grieving. I was assuming a lot. That doesn't mean at all that I dislike people with Kenny profile pics!
I'm sure that not all—nor most, for that matter—of Kenny fans were bad to those two. Although I dislike cataloging people as just a Kenng-lover, or Jane-hater, etc.
Did you try helping grieving Lilly and grieving Arvo? Or did you go out of your way to make them snap?
Not every Kenny fan is like K… moreenny you know. I didn't like Lilly but i tried to mend things best I could after the meat locker with her. As for Arvo, sorry but no, just no. Part of me felt sorry he lost his sister but then part of me just couldn't really care for his loss as I didn't know his character that long and because i didn't like or trust him after him and the Russians did what they did.
But leaving someone under the impression that they had murdered an infant would make any rational person flip
Well, but Kenny didn't… more know that did he? All Kenny knew was that Jane accidentaly got AJ killed and he tried to murder her for that. If you think that's rational then you think Nick (that "accidentaly" killed Matthew) should've been attacked and killed on the spot?
you have to admit her delivery was poor.
I agree. Jane could've done that in so many different ways yet she chose the most dangerous and stupid of them all. But regardless of which side you're on you also have to admit that she was right, Kenny was way too unstable and dangerous.
Im not even talking about Jane. Why bring her into it when you know this is going to cause an argument? Tell you what, let's start another argument, i'll go first...fuck Jane!
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The real question is why were we able to shoot Kenny after their fight but not Jane? If anything she would've deserved it much more than he did just for manipulating you.
But let's be honest, Lee was the only person (besides Christa and Omid) that cared about keeping her safe (well my Lee) and anyone else was just trying to relive having a child again. Clem was way better by herself and would survive much longer.
Did you try helping grieving Lilly and grieving Arvo? Or did you go out of your way to make them snap?
Yeah maybe that was Jane's first idea, but then she figured if Kenny is dead, then she can do whatever she wants with Clem because there won't be someone else, making no other option.
Sorry but that just proves tenfold how fucking stupid jane was there, Kenny is unstable and she provokes him to attack.
My first playthrough I made the mistake of shooting Kenny. Then she revealed what she'd done. I wanted to shoot her so bad.
I dont think you should have had the option to shoot either rather than shoot both, But I feel you can shoot Kenny as clementine finally sees he is a dangerous threat capable of killing another, rather than for what he did. With Jane its after the situation has deescalated and clems holding a baby.
I cried when I pulled out my gun. Then they let me say something to him about Katjaa before I shot him.
Goddammir telltale!!!! why must you do this to me.
Looking at it from an episode standpoint I agree.
But that scene became so powerful that if we have one we need two. Maybe they did it cause we have history with Kenny.
They probably wanted to mirror the Lee and Clem last decision. Which it worked for me. I cried both times
If I may ask, what makes you think that Jane's that obsessed with controlling Clem?
I don't think she wanted Kenny dead at all, if you keep her alive she will say that she didn't know Kenny would go as far as a murder attempt.
I personally think she decided to change her mind because she (as every other character of S2) pictures Clem as Kenny's bff that would never leave him behing under any circumstanses. Clem's reaction to her proposal may have also contributed.
Yes actually.
She recommends that they leave Kenny, but then hides AJ.
Why even bother going through a plot like that if you weren't expecting him to try to kill you after words. I mean if she really didn't expect Kenny was going to go over the deep end, she could have told the truth and said where AJ was, but she doesn't, she decides itll be better to just kill Kenny.
Yes, as in "I tried to help them," or yes, as in "I went out of my way to make them snap?" I'll assume the first one. Well, that's sympathetic on your part. With all due respect, you don't commonly see people with a Kenny profile picture that actually gave a crap for Lilly and Arvo.
I DO think that Kenny went insane throughout the season. Yes, he's crazy as fuck. I know.
But leaving someone under the impression that they had murdered an infant would make any rational person flip, I'm sorry. Jane went about the wrong way of doing it. Regardless of which side you're on, you have to admit her delivery was poor.
I agree Jane should've expected that Kenny was going to try to kill her after she claims it was an accident...
The fact that she doesn't say anything is actually a valid point, but what do you think would've happened if she told that she was lying? Do you think Kenny would just be "Oh, ok. It's alright then. c:". He probably would get even more angry.
I think that Jane thought that Kenny was not going to go that far and when the fight was already occurring she probably knew that even if she admitted that AJ was alive, Kenny would keep up his attack.
This is all speculation tho.
FALSE AND OUT OF CONTEXT
Lets see. She left an infant in an abandoned car in the middle of a snowstorm during the zombie apocalypse just to prove a point. Understandably, Kenny(under the impression that she let an infant die) wasn't very fond of that. She could have said that he was fine and they could all go on their merry way or split up but everyone would live. Instead, she instigates a futile fight and it ends up costing her life(determinant). Her choice was petty and not worth the risk. Also It turned out that Kenny was right about Wellington which was a nice figurative "fuck you" to Jane and made my choice to let her die even sweeter.
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That is taking everything out of context dramatically. Jane pushed Kenny over the edge to show Clementine how bad the situation could go if they stuck with him, which would become even worse if Clem was left alone. She was being selfless and smart—the problem is that she was against the wall. It was risky to stay, and even riskier to leave. I truly believe that she did the best of a bad situation.
Wow, you changed your mind quickly! You know, I was saying that the content of the sketch was false and out of context. Of course it is made for fun, but that doesn't invalidate what I said.
No she wasn't. Not entirely. Neither was Kenny. Neither was anyone really. That's the point. Why is it always all or nothing in these discussions? TWD characters, just like real people, are flawed and do stupid things, sometimes for the right reasons, and sometimes not. Jane was right about Kenny, but she handled it terribly. Kenny is a good man deep down who's suffered horribly, but that doesn't make his behavior any less dangerous to those around him. Bonnie's actions were deplorable from our perspective, but to her she was just looking out for herself in a group of people that she barely knew. The entire cast of TWD is made up of mostly decent people thrown into terrible situations, of which there is often no real world equivalent to compare, and surprise, sometimes they do horrible things.
Oh she took her life because she felt Kenny wasn't a pleasant man did she? Were you actually playing the same game? Lol.
Yet he was the only one trying to help the group out of that mess. It didn't help things no, but his intentions were good. Nice negative post though.
And yet you don't consider the reasoning behind it, you don't consider that he may have received brain damage or if not that then suffering from grief seeing Sarita die and as uneeded as it was beating Arvo, this was his way of dealing with it as wrong as it was. Also you seem to defend a guy who not long before actually ambushed the group with his Russian friends and threatened to steal from them but of course you think that was all fine and dandy but sure, fine, your favourite character Kenny is the villain here right? Lol.
And yet you saying this is entirely based on how you played season 1 whether you were friends with him or not so saying this is invalid.
Your post which is typical is completely negative towards the character and never ever look at the other side of things, always one sided. At least i will admit that certain things he did was wrong but i have the good grace not to be full on negative. But hey you know what, it's fine, you carry on bottling all that hate inside. I guess the place would be less interesting otherwise
Look, whatever Kenny did in the past doesn't justify what Jane did. No serious ethicist would ever agree with her manipulative provocation.
People sure do like the line "just to prove a point." She was showing to Clem what would happen if AJ was ever under Clem's care and Kenny would find out that something happened. She selflessly decided to take the risk of Kenny trying to kill her so that a relatively small girl wouldn't have to, later in life.
Wasn't very fond of that, and attempted to kill her twice before she even fought back. She was saying that it was an accident, but he was so blinded—no pun intended—by rage that he didn't listen.
Staying with Kenny, Clem and AJ meant that that would've happened eventually nonetheless. Leave Kenny, Clem and AJ by themselves and it's the same, only that this time, the girl won't be able to defense herself, and you will be seen as an untrustworthy bitch. Take Clem and AJ with you, and Kenny will pursue you across the United States, if he hasn't succumbed to suicide yet. I genuinely want to see how things will turn out in the Kenny ending, where they happily want into the horizon as in a cheesy movie. Can't have a game like these without inner conflict.
As I said above, it could've resulted in saving the life of Clementine, a girl she barely knew, but that who was the protagonist for us. I believe it was worth the risk.
It was a nice figurative "fuck you" to the game's realism, and to Kenny's decision-making. If he knew exactly where Wellington was, why didn't he say anything to the rest of the group instead of making vague comments such as "[it's] gotta be out there?" I seriously believe that had he told them, most of them would've agreed to go.
Lol but she didn't have to at all! Sure, we all get why she did it and her reasoning behind it was to show Clem this but there was no need to. Why make a man who is teetering over the edge, go over that edge? If Clem tells him "he's dangerous", he'll say "you're right Clem but i'm trying". I personaly see it as a case of taming the beast, trying to help a friend the best you can even if he is beyond helping. I wouldn't do such a horrible thing to someone just because i like one person (Clem) better than the man who is potentially dangerous (Kenny) if rubbed the wrong way. Clem has a mature mind, i'm pretty sure shes seen what he's capable of (Larry for instance?) or what he did to Arvo? I felt she didn't need Jane to show that to her and the "way" she did it and i'm sure there were plenty of other ways to make her point than that.
You'll disagree but i actually felt like to begin with he was only trying to hit her (which is bad obviously) but I think it got to the killing stage after that scene in my opinion, probably the moment she slashed him with the knife.
If someone you didn't like or trust said that, i don't think i would have believed them either and i would most likely assume she had killed the baby, knowing that previously she made claims that the baby would be trouble and asked or what seemed like implying to Rebecca that she (Rebecca) should get rid of him when born, thus a reason why i would feel she did something to the baby. Kenny seemed to know this. But again like i said before, this whole scene wouldn't have happened if she hadn't done what she did.
Sorry, what would have happened eventually?
Again im disagreeing as i've said many times that i will never believe he would ever hurt her, even if something had happened to AJ, i just cannot see it because of how he feels about Clem compared to anyone else in the game. He could have hurt her when Sarita died but he didn't, he could have hurt her during other moments of anger but the worst he got was angry. A lot could have happened in the 9 days (which was stupid) they took to get to Wellington, nothing seemed to have happened. Maybe because there was no one around to deliberately anger Kenny? Perhaps they are better together with AJ, just my opinion of course
Nah, i think i'd take my chances and you know, not deliberately anger my friend but that's just me. It's fine if you think it was worth the risk. I felt it was uneeded.
Agreed. The game's realism lost it's way after the walking across the ice scene, then spending 9 days getting to Howe's or finding Wellington with a baby that they only had a day's food left for the kid according to Kenny and they seemed to magically find some food for the baby during those 9 days. Unrealistic is the right word and I hated it.
Well I disagree Jane may have convinced herself she was being selfless but she put them all at risk with that stunt. Kenny was an issue but Jane just made things worse. Manipulating a child and a mentally unstable guy while leaving an infant alone was just horrific. i shot Kenny and dont regret it but Jane was horrible in that scene.
Clementine made her choice, (regardless of what the player wants) she wants to stay with Kenny, she doesnt want to leave him. Jane makes the choice for her by forcing her too choose between them. Just as controlling and psychotic as Kenny.
I get why she did it but wrong time and horrible way to do it
Due to Kenny being shown to be unstable I think is the reason he's seen as a danger to the group, Jane didn't really do that much to provoke him directly and Kenny still snapped. In the end, both of them made the situation what it was.
Although we play as Clementine, she is still her own character and the choices we get to make through her are the ones she presents to us(the choices are within the character's limits basically), perhaps Clementine didn't want to shoot Jane because leaving her to be alone could be a worse punishment than dying for Jane? Or perhaps she didn't want to shoot the person who saved her several times in previous few days? Or maybe the Developers just forgot to add that option?
just kenny i love kenny and i heat jane
I think it was to parallel the Lee getting shot scene. Though the circumstances were much different it still would've been a hard decision for Kenny lovers.
i wish jane killed arvo when she had the opportunity
Well, but Kenny didn't know that did he? All Kenny knew was that Jane accidentaly got AJ killed and he tried to murder her for that. If you think that's rational then you think Nick (that "accidentaly" killed Matthew) should've been attacked and killed on the spot?
I agree. Jane could've done that in so many different ways yet she chose the most dangerous and stupid of them all. But regardless of which side you're on you also have to admit that she was right, Kenny was way too unstable and dangerous.
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I haven't forgotten about your comment, by the way. I'm on mobile at the moment, so tackling it down inmediately would be a pain.
Oh don't worry! We don't have to argue lol
I'm pretty sure InfiniteDawn uploaded a picture once showing that Kenny said himself that he wasn't sure where Wellington was, and was just grasping at straws, and this was at the time when Kenny fixed the truck and went inside to vent.
If he really did know where to go and didn't bother to mention this to his group in the first place, then this makes him look even worse than he already did at the time.
I actually think it wasn't for the reasons you think she hates him for but because of the fact she felt he was the reason that Clementine wouldn't leave him and go with her which is most likely one of the reasons why she did what she did with the baby. I think in some strange way it could have even been jealousy. Feel free to disagree, it's partially what i think though
Well i'm glad you see both sides to his character and not just the negative unlike a lot people on here.
This may surprise you but i do agree. I hope we have closure on Kenny's character or if they somehow involve his character in Season 3, i hope he won't be the sole focus taking away screen time for other characters
Not every Kenny fan is like Kenny you know. I didn't like Lilly but i tried to mend things best I could after the meat locker with her. As for Arvo, sorry but no, just no. Part of me felt sorry he lost his sister but then part of me just couldn't really care for his loss as I didn't know his character that long and because i didn't like or trust him after him and the Russians did what they did.
Awesome! I guess you know how Jane felt now c;
It's just that when you have a profile pic of Kenny, you're most likely a big fan of him. If you're a big fan of him, it is probable that you disliked Lilly and Arvo. If you disliked them, chances are you didn't care for them when they were grieving. I was assuming a lot. That doesn't mean at all that I dislike people with Kenny profile pics!
I'm sure that not all—nor most, for that matter—of Kenny fans were bad to those two. Although I dislike cataloging people as just a Kenng-lover, or Jane-hater, etc.
Then again, NO ONE in The Walking Dead is really rational if you think about it. Just some more than others.
Im not even talking about Jane. Why bring her into it when you know this is going to cause an argument? Tell you what, let's start another argument, i'll go first...fuck Jane!