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[Spoilers] Speculation on the cliffhanger

jp-30jp-30
edited October 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
It has to be...
....Carla that Guybrush meets in the last moments of the game, doesn't it? Or am I forgetting someone?
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  • flipperthepriestflipperthepriest
    edited July 2009
    It's mack Salmon!
    Woops wrong series...
  • RoundheadpoliceRoundheadpolice
    edited July 2009
    Yeah my first thought was that it's going to be Carla.
  • LordKinboteLordKinbote
    edited July 2009
    For some reason, the first person that came to mind was
    Kate Capsize
    .
  • flipperthepriestflipperthepriest
    edited July 2009
    For all we know it's a completely new character. I know they said "a long time", but that doesn't neccesarily mean we've seen them before (*coughs* mack salmon *cough*)
  • fire2boxfire2box
    edited July 2009
    Carla I think
  • LordKinboteLordKinbote
    edited July 2009
    flipperthepriest wrote: »
    For all we know it's a completely new character. I know they said "a long time", but that doesn't neccesarily mean we've seen them before (*coughs* mack salmon *cough*)

    It absolutely *could* be a new character. If it is, though, keeping her face from view creates false suspense and will only lead to disdain later. Not from me, but I know plenty of people here won't be happy.
  • jp-30jp-30
    edited July 2009
    Oops - wrong thread...
  • darknessofheartdarknessofheart
    edited July 2009
    I actually didn't care about the sword wielder at the the end; LeChuck and Elaine were the draw of the ending for me: LeChuck may have his humanity back, but I think he's behind a lot more. He might have intended for all this to happen: the Caribbean become his zombie minions and can't do any harm to him, he gets his old looks back, and a better chance with Elaine (hence Elaine saying wolf when she saw him). Overall, I want to know more about what LeChuck will do.
  • NiterainNiterain
    edited July 2009
    It's Wally B. Feed!

    Over the years Guybrush has tormented this little guy, and the last we saw of him was in LeChuck's amusement park, trapped on the roller coaster of death.

    Also, his small stature and high pitched voice fit with this theory. I knew it was him immediately.
  • EBrottEBrott
    edited July 2009
    Don't you kind of think it might be Morgan Le Flay, Pirate Hunter Extraordinaire? Out hunting a Mighty Pirate?

    Sure, everyone you show the flier to uses a male pronoun - but no one can describe what Captain Morgan (heh) looks like - and the namesake's definitely a lady type.
  • jp-30jp-30
    edited July 2009
    But they've met before. I don't think Guybrush and the Pirate Hunter have met.

    Unless... Carla (or Wally, or...) IS the Morgan Le Flay.
  • adventureaddictadventureaddict
    edited July 2009
    With an ending like that, I'm hoping its someone we're all familiar with.
    LordKinbote wrote: »
    For some reason, the first person that came to mind was
    Kate Capsize
    .

    I got this too, and I'm not sure why. Nothing about the scene points it to her that I can see.
  • LordKinboteLordKinbote
    edited July 2009
    adventureaddict wrote: »
    With an ending like that, I'm hoping its someone we're all familiar with.



    I got this too, and I'm not sure why. Nothing about the scene points it to her that I can see.

    The lack of female characters in the MI universe limits the number of choices.
  • PretenderPretender
    edited July 2009
    I think it's Wally, but it's a feminin voice
  • adventureaddictadventureaddict
    edited July 2009
    LordKinbote wrote: »
    The lack of female characters in the MI universe limits the number of choices.

    'Spose you're right. Ah well, only a month to wait and see who it is. :p
  • shnaashnaa
    edited July 2009
    My thought was, whoever the sword wielder is, it may be a temptation for Mr. Threepwood. Think about it: the pox transferred some of LeChuck's evilness to Guybrush. It's logical to think maybe some of Guybrush's sweetness (and humanity, obviously) transferred to LeChuck. Thus LeChuck is being all lovey-dovey to Elaine, who loves it, and Guybrush gives into his new LeChuckian dark side by going after another woman!

    Well, I thought it was a good plot twist, anyway...
  • dumpling321dumpling321
    edited July 2009
    its gotta be Kate capsize... didnt she swear revenge in MI2 after what Guybrush did...
  • MelanctonMelancton
    edited July 2009
    I thought Carla as well. She certainly has enough reasons to hate him at this point. But Kate is another great guess.
  • NiterainNiterain
    edited July 2009
    It can't be Carla or Kate Capsize, they are both as tall as Guybrush, and the sword is clearly held by a very short person. Carla already kinda made her peace with Guybrush in EFMI, for the most part. I don't see why she'd be venturing across the ocean to track down Guybrush.

    Kate is such a minor character, why would she be coming back, when there are so many more beloved characters that we haven't seen for ages? She was just an obstacle to overcome in MI2, and had no interesting characteristics. Why would her reappearance make for such a cliffhanger ending?
    OMG! It's Kate Capsize! *fans go nuts*?

    The mystery person HAS to be Wally! He has the motive, voice, stature, and hasn't been seen since CMI. He's one of the main characters of the Monkey Island series, much more important than Kate. They could continue his character arch; Wally attempts to be more pirate-like, and captures Guybrush, something he couldn't handle in CMI. It all fits.
  • dumpling321dumpling321
    edited July 2009
    that was definatly NOT wallys voice there is absolutly NO WAY! it was definatly a womans voice (last time i checked wally was a guy) the only woman who has truly vowed revenge on guybrush is kate...

    cant be carla either because she now has a cushy government job on melee island with otis (plus i seriously think i would have recognised carlas voice)
  • NiterainNiterain
    edited July 2009
    Wally's a pipsqueak of a guy, he could easily have a high pitched voice.

    The voice didn't strike me as a woman's. I immediately thought "Wally!"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IBUfXq0nbk
    At 8:00 Wally starts talking. At first he puts on a mock pirate voice, but later his voice becomes more boyish.
  • Lena_PLena_P
    edited July 2009
    Obviously it's Guybrush's third grade teacher MS. Le Flay (her pronunciation, not mine) who's after him to finally turn in his book report on "The Life and Times of Edward Teach or How Beard Maintenance Can Work for You". Honestly though, I'm going with Le Flay, who I'm guessing was not born with that name, but has inherited it a la the "Dread Pirate Robert" from the Princess Bride. Or not.
  • ConscioConscio
    edited July 2009
    I seriously doubt that it is wally. In CMI he did have a higher pitched voice but it was still distinctly male, where as the voice of the character with the sword was distinctly female. My first thought was that it was Kate too, however it could be someone new; I mean when you think about the way that Guybrush goes about doing things it's really quite possible that he has pissed off a myriad of people.
  • jp-30jp-30
    edited July 2009
    dumpling321 wrote: »
    (plus i seriously think i would have recognised carlas voice)

    Only if they used the same voice actor.
  • Lena_PLena_P
    edited July 2009
    Conscio wrote: »
    My first thought was that it was Kate too, however it could be someone new; I mean when you think about the way that Guybrush goes about doing things it's really quite possible that he has pissed off a myriad of people.

    Oh yeah. I'm gonna sound like (more of) an idiot, but they did have "ten years" of adventuring in their belts (and marriage? I guess?) so who knows who Guybrush could have pissed off in that time. (Wait, if his ship is fine does that mean his treasure is too?)
  • JunaidJunaid
    edited July 2009
    Hmmm dunno, they kinda played it like it was something we should know
    My first thought was also Kate Capsize
  • NiterainNiterain
    edited July 2009
    When he said 10 years, I thought he was recounting ALL of the events leading from SMI until this point, but we can't really know. They wouldn't introduce a new character that knows Guybrush from the adventure we didn't see. That'd just be bad story telling.

    *Dramatic cut to black* Who is it?! Who is it?!
    *Cut back* Oh... It's someone we don't know.

    TellTale's obviously winding us up with this cliff hanger. If the person turned out to be someone completely new, then what was the point for all the build up?
  • Lena_PLena_P
    edited July 2009
    Niterain wrote: »
    When he said 10 years, I thought he was recounting ALL of the events leading from SMI until this point, but we can't really know. They wouldn't dump a new character on us, that knows Guybrush from the adventure we didn't see. That'd just be bad story telling.

    TellTale's obviously winding us up with this cliff hanger. Who is the mystery person? Tune in next episode! If the person turned out to be someone completely new, then what was the point for all the build up?

    I kind of think we're supposed to think it's Morgan Le Flay. "Here is a bounty hunter character kind of named after a famous witch with a gender neutral name and here is a female voice saying they have been searching for Guybrush. Are the the voice and Morgan Le Flay one and the same? Dun duh duuuuun!" Plus Elaine and LeChuck not being blown-up and the boats afloat are also little mysteries and cliffhangerish, so the new person showing up may or may not be the "real" tune-in-next-time cliffhanger. Plus they are trying to design this game with players who have never seen a MI game in mind. It would be unfair for them if Telltale relied too heavily on knowledge of previous games being integral to understanding the plot. That would be bad storytelling.
  • dumpling321dumpling321
    edited July 2009
    um mabie kate IS Morgan Le Flay she was so mad when she found out that guybrush framed her that she devoted her life to hunting pirates and guybrush in particular
  • NiterainNiterain
    edited July 2009
    Lena_P wrote: »
    I kind of think we're supposed to think it's Morgan Le Flay. "Here is a bounty hunter character kind of named after a famous witch with a gender neutral name and here is a female voice saying they have been searching for Guybrush. Are the the voice and Morgan Le Flay one and the same? Dun duh duuuuun!" Plus Elaine and LeChuck not being blown-up and the boats afloat are also little mysteries and cliffhangerish, so the new person showing up may or may not be the "real" tune-in-next-time cliffhanger. Plus they are trying to design this game with players who have never seen a MI game in mind. It would be unfair for them if Telltale relied too heavily on knowledge of previous games being integral to understanding the plot. That would be bad storytelling.

    True, but how necessary would it be to have played the previous games to understand Wally's or Carla's or Kate's motivation behind tracking him down? All you'd have to know is that Guybrush wronged them in the past, and now they're back for revenge. You'd have to explain just as much if the character was Morgan Le Flay, if not more.

    I'm almost certain that the mystery person is someone Guybrush knows already, and they might be Morgan as well.
  • johnniewalk3rjohnniewalk3r
    edited July 2009
    dumpling321 wrote: »
    um mabie kate IS Morgan Le Flay she was so mad when she found out that guybrush framed her that she devoted her life to hunting pirates and guybrush in particular

    Morgan Le Flay was my first guess just because of the look the Marquis gave Guybrush after he escaped. (and after Le Singe saw the pirate hunter flier) Plus they never mention if Morgan is a Man/Woman which also leads me to believe its Le Flay.
  • PretenderPretender
    edited July 2009
    sorry, but who's Morgan Le Flay again?
  • Lena_PLena_P
    edited July 2009
    Niterain wrote: »
    True, but how necessary would it be to have played the previous games to understand Wally's or Carla's or Kate's motivation behind tracking him down? All you'd have to know is that Guybrush wronged them in the past, and now they're back for revenge. You'd have to explain just as much if the character was Morgan Le Flay, if not more.

    Oh, I'm not arguing that their motivations would be harder for new players to understand than a completely new character's would be, I'm just saying new players wouldn't know the difference, so I don't know how much of a priority it would be for Telltale to use those characters. Like the Voodoo Lady is reused, not just because she's a fun character, but because her character really does a lot for the developers story-wise, and she's such a stock character and well defined visually so new players can pick up on the role her character plays right away. Again, Guybrush mentions in passing that they've met many times before, but no key events of the past are dropped so as to avoid confusing the new players who won't be able to distinguish between a past reference and an important point for the current game. At least I'm guessing, I mean, I've got no clue what the Telltales are actually planning and thinking:p.
  • Lena_PLena_P
    edited July 2009
    Pretender wrote: »
    sorry, but who's Morgan Le Flay again?

    Did you finish the episode yet?
  • ViraVira
    edited July 2009
    I'm putting my bet on Kate Capesize. She's the only female character I can think of who'd have a legitimate reason to want to kill or hunt Guybrush.
  • NiterainNiterain
    edited July 2009
    Morgan's only mentioned on a flier, and by the Pirates on Flotsam if you inquire about him/her. I think Morgan's definetly a woman, though.
    Namesake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_le_Fay

    The fact that they didn't show us the identity of the sword-wielder, means that a key plot point is in their identity. If they showed us a new character, we wouldn't know who that person was. We might assume Morgan, but we're assuming that anyway.

    There'd be no point to hiding the identity of the person, unless we already know the person. And it's still a priority of theirs to show old characters. They gotta please the old fans.
    This is a game for both avid Monkey Islanders, and new adventure gamers.
  • jp-30jp-30
    edited July 2009
    A quick flashback or retelling would bring MI newbies up to speed. It makes the MI world more 'alive' for characters to have backstories and old friends / enemies.
  • tobartobar
    edited July 2009
    Yeah first thing that popped in my head was that it had to be Kate Capsize!
  • NiterainNiterain
    edited July 2009
    I might be wrong about the Wally thing. Everyone here seems to remember a woman's voice, but I don't. I need to go back a replay it, look for more Morgan hints, and rewatch the ending.

    The way the sword was held to Guybrush looked like the person was very short. Did anyone else see this? It looked like the sword was being held up to him, from below. This was a major factor in me thinking it to be Wally.
  • DiduzDiduz
    edited July 2009
    I think it's Kate Capsize. I mean, she was thrown in jail because of Guybrush, after all.

    Did anyone notice that the "threatening voice" is Nicki Rapp's, Lily's voice in Psychonauts? :D
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